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1997-04-03 01:11phlux@ix.netcom.comOn 04/02/97 19:21:10 you wrote: > >has anyone out there picked up the new chem bros single

From:: <phlux@ix.netcom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:11:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) prices

On 04/02/97 19:21:10 you wrote:

quoted 9 lines has anyone out there picked up the new chem bros single at the outrageous price

> >has anyone out there picked up the new chem bros single at the outrageous price >of $8.99? with tax, for PA, that comes to $9.62 i only paid 10.95 (shipping >included) for the new squarepusher ep. what's the deal here? i know we've gone >over the astralwerks thing before, but it's just pretty frustrating to see >import prices on domestic singles - with only four songs, to boot. oh well... >looks like awerks won't be getting my money. >alan! >

While I'm not happy to see astralwerks charging as much as they do for CD singles. I will say one thing on their behalf. It costs almost as much to put out a single as it does to put out a full length LP. Labels still have to pay for the media used, printing(which is usually about 3/4 to all of what an album usually has), and jewel boxes. If you've noticed, warp cuts corners on alot of their cd singles to cut down on some of this by only having the purple and white sleeves instead of full color like astralwerks has and also using the slimline cases. That all being said, it still sucks to see domestic singles at $8.99. Maybe they should tack on a few extra tracks or something to justify they cost. I got my copy of Block Rockin' Beats for $7.99 which is a little bit cheaper ROB **********LOGIQ'S NEW CD**************** BIG ON MARS 11 Tracks of Electronic Bliss http://www.sinless.com/logiq ****************************************

1997-03-06 16:22sanvara@gte.net>While I'm not happy to see astralwerks charging as much as they do for CD singles. I will

From:: <sanvara@gte.net>
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Date:: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:22:49 -0800
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>While I'm not happy to see astralwerks charging as much as they do for CD singles. I will say one thing on their behalf. It

quoted 1 line costs almost as much to put out a single as it does to put out a full

>costs almost as much to put out a single as it does to put out a full

length LP. Labels still have to pay for the media used,

quoted 1 line printing(which is usually about 3/4 to all of what an album usually has),

>printing(which is usually about 3/4 to all of what an album usually has),

and jewel boxes. Speaking of Cd-singles prices.....the new domestic Orbital CD5 is selling for $2.99 at Tower Records. :) T.

1997-04-03 09:13g.On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:11:44 -0600 (CST), you wrote: >On 04/02/97 19:21:10 you wrote: >> >>

From:: g. <greg@warp-net.com>
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Date:: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 09:13:14 GMT
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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:11:44 -0600 (CST), you wrote:

quoted 16 lines On 04/02/97 19:21:10 you wrote:

>On 04/02/97 19:21:10 you wrote: >> >>has anyone out there picked up the new chem bros single at the outrageous price >>of $8.99? with tax, for PA, that comes to $9.62 i only paid 10.95 (shipping >>included) for the new squarepusher ep. what's the deal here? i know we've gone >>over the astralwerks thing before, but it's just pretty frustrating to see >>import prices on domestic singles - with only four songs, to boot. oh well... >>looks like awerks won't be getting my money. >>alan! >> > >While I'm not happy to see astralwerks charging as much as they do for CD singles. I will say one thing on their behalf. It >costs almost as much to put out a single as it does to put out a full length LP. Labels still have to pay for the media used, >printing(which is usually about 3/4 to all of what an album usually has), and jewel boxes. If you've noticed, warp cuts >corners on alot of their cd singles to cut down on some of this by only having the purple and white sleeves instead of full >color like astralwerks has and also using the slimline cases.

get real. purple bags have nothing to do with cutting corners, they're not much cheaper than other artworks and besides the last batch were all requested by the artists involved. having said that slimline cases are shit. guess i saves thr artist money though, look at it that way... g.

1997-04-03 01:54Gonzi (Fresh)> While I'm not happy to see astralwerks charging as much as they do for CD singles. I wil

From:: Gonzi (Fresh) <fresh@linkonline.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:54:20 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) prices

quoted 3 lines While I'm not happy to see astralwerks charging as much as they do for CD singles. I

> While I'm not happy to see astralwerks charging as much as they do for CD singles. I will say one thing on their behalf. It > costs almost as much to put out a single as it does to put out a full length LP. Labels still have to pay for the media used, > printing(which is usually about 3/4 to all of what an album usually has), and jewel boxes.

Astralwerks is just being greedy. Plain and simple. Go ahead and look at the CD singles section next time you're at Tower. $5.99, $3.99, etc. Who is the only label that charges fucking 9 dollars for 4 songs? Astralwerks. I encourage listmembers to buy the same priced import versions of these singles and not support Astralwerks ridiculous pricing. _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/fresh.htm

1997-04-03 02:11Random JunkGonzi $Fresh$ writes: > Astralwerks is just being greedy. Plain and simple. Go ahead and

From:: Random Junk <jsd@gamespot.com>
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Date:: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:11:10 -0800 (PST)
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Gonzi $Fresh$ writes:

quoted 3 lines Astralwerks is just being greedy. Plain and simple. Go ahead and look at

> Astralwerks is just being greedy. Plain and simple. Go ahead and look at > the CD singles section next time you're at Tower. $5.99, $3.99, etc. Who > is the only label that charges fucking 9 dollars for 4 songs?

do you understand the difference between Astralwerks and, say, Epic? do you understand the term "loss leader"? do you understand the difference in sales that we're talking about? in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the situation, or are you just flaunting your ignorance in public yet again?

quoted 3 lines Astralwerks. I encourage listmembers to buy the same priced import

> Astralwerks. I encourage listmembers to buy the same priced import > versions of these singles and not support Astralwerks ridiculous > pricing.

i encourage everybody to support astralwerks as much as is humanly possible. they are doing a great job at getting this music to the public. ---jsd "Sanity is a one trick pony...you only get one trick: rational thinking... but when you're good and crazy,the sky's the limit!!" - The Tick.

1997-04-03 04:24Andy ThomasOn Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Gonzi (Fresh) wrote: > I encourage listmembers to buy the same priced

From:: Andy Thomas <andy@hyperreal.com>
To:: Gonzi (Fresh) <fresh@linkonline.net>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:24:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) prices
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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Gonzi (Fresh) wrote:

quoted 3 lines I encourage listmembers to buy the same priced import

> I encourage listmembers to buy the same priced import > versions of these singles and not support Astralwerks ridiculous > pricing.

yeah, suport virgin's rediculous pricing instead... are you going to bring this up everytime astralwerks releases a cd single gonzi? andy

1997-04-03 02:34Gonzi (Fresh)> do you understand the difference between Astralwerks and, say, Epic? From what I underst

From:: Gonzi (Fresh) <fresh@linkonline.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:34:32 -0800
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quoted 1 line do you understand the difference between Astralwerks and, say, Epic?

> do you understand the difference between Astralwerks and, say, Epic?

From what I understand Astralwerks are a division of Caroline who are owned by Virgin, correct? Last I heard Virgin seemed to be doing ok.

quoted 2 lines in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the

> in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the > situation...

uhh yeah. All other singles $3.99 to $5.99. Astralwerks $7.99 to $10.99. There's your economics. _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/fresh.htm

1997-04-03 03:10Chris.Hilker>> in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the >> situation... >

From:: Chris.Hilker <cspot@hyperreal.com>
To:: Ironic Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:10:14 -0800
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quoted 5 lines in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the

>> in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the >> situation... > >uhh yeah. All other singles $3.99 to $5.99. Astralwerks $7.99 to $10.99. >There's your economics.

Jon, I'd say that's a no... C. -- C.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.com) "He was mesmerized by the light-pictures, and the music sent him right into dreamland"

1997-04-03 18:20Random JunkI said: > >> in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the > >> si

From:: Random Junk <jsd@gamespot.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:20:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: (idm) astralwerks - rip off artists
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I said:

quoted 2 lines in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the

> >> in short, do you have even the slightest clue as the economics of the > >> situation...

Gonzi said:

quoted 2 lines uhh yeah. All other singles $3.99 to $5.99. Astralwerks $7.99 to $10.99.

> >uhh yeah. All other singles $3.99 to $5.99. Astralwerks $7.99 to $10.99. > >There's your economics.

Chris.Hilker said:

quoted 1 line Jon, I'd say that's a no...

> Jon, I'd say that's a no...

too damn right. well, gonzi, i have got one thing to say to you: try running your own record label some time. put out your favorite niche music. sell the singles for $4. go out of business quickly. have a nice life. Gonzi further said:

quoted 3 lines What am I supposed to feel sympathy or something for Astralwerks?

>What am I supposed to feel sympathy or something for Astralwerks? >They're running a business, not a charity. To quote mr. pink: "if >they're expecting me to help out with the rent, forget it."

let's see, you don't want to help pay for the operating expenses. you just want them to put out stuff at a price that you feel comfortable with but doesn't make them any money. very nice of you. can i just ask what color the sky is in your world? tom weibrech wrote:

quoted 2 lines ok then, whats the cost to profit ratio? what are their marketing and

>ok then, whats the cost to profit ratio? what are their marketing and >promotion expenses?

i don't know. do you?

quoted 1 line why does their distribution suck?

>why does their distribution suck?

how did you arrive at this conclusion? they have one of the best distribution channels of any indie label in the US.

quoted 1 line why do they pretend to be a major when they are not?

>why do they pretend to be a major when they are not?

i can't even begin to imagine what this means.

quoted 1 line why do other indie labels make money and astralwerks does not?

>why do other indie labels make money and astralwerks does not?

you've audited their books, have you?

quoted 1 line why dont they listen to their consumers?

>why dont they listen to their consumers?

you mean when their consumers say "hey, drop the prices on your stuff to the point where you start losing money?"

quoted 1 line heres one telling you exactly like it is....

>heres one telling you exactly like it is....

sounds like you're guessing to me. Adam Weitzman says:

quoted 4 lines How do K, Rykodisc, Blast First and FFRR manage to keep their CD-single

>How do K, Rykodisc, Blast First and FFRR manage to keep their CD-single >prices down in the $4.99-$6.99 range, whereas Astralwerks' are in the >$7.99-$9.99 range? In the "old" days, Restless, Nettwerk and Wax >Trax!'s CD-singles were in the lower price range as well.

honestly i don't know. maybe they're just more willing to take a bath on it for the sake of promotion. FFRR at least are owned by polygram, they can probably afford it... as for the old days, well, restless & wax trax went out of business - so there's the success of your pricing scheme right there. nettwerk CD singles today are more like $8 or $9... ---jsd, resident astralwerks apologist "Sanity is a one trick pony...you only get one trick: rational thinking... but when you're good and crazy,the sky's the limit!!" - The Tick.

1997-04-03 18:18CheOn Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Random Junk wrote: <mucho muy bien gusto stuffo deleto> at least astra

From:: Che <zeus8@synthcom.com>
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Date:: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:18:07 +0000 ()
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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Random Junk wrote: <mucho muy bien gusto stuffo deleto> at least astralwerks is putting out some good stuff domestic. it's still cheaper than import. hey, they released FSOL's Cascade domestic after I missed out on the limited import. nowadays I don't even have to wait for the domestic release...my only beef wid dem is doing stuff like sticking extra tracks on the domestic ISDN when I already had the import - I HATE buying a disc for 2 measly tracks (in fact, I haven't in this case). why is this list so bipolar, anyway? it's always either raving over something mediocre or bitching about something not worth commenting on. Che

1997-04-04 19:05thomas m weibrechtOn Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:20:53 -0800 (PST) Random Junk <jsd@gamespot.com> writes: > >tom weib

From:: thomas m weibrecht <tweibrecht@juno.com>
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Date:: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 14:05:04 EST
Subject:: Re: (idm) astralwerks - rip off artists

On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:20:53 -0800 (PST) Random Junk <jsd@gamespot.com> writes:

quoted 6 lines tom weibrech wrote:

> >tom weibrech wrote: >>ok then, whats the cost to profit ratio? what are their marketing and >>promotion expenses? > >i don't know. do you?

quoted 1 line sure do,,,read their annual report...one of the highest in the

>>> sure do,,,read their annual report...one of the highest in the

industry<<<

quoted 4 lines why does their distribution suck?

>>why does their distribution suck? > >how did you arrive at this conclusion? they have one of the best >distribution channels of any indie label in the US.

then why cant u find any of their releases in the mass market outlets?

quoted 3 lines why do they pretend to be a major when they are not?

>>why do they pretend to be a major when they are not? > >i can't even begin to imagine what this means.

quoted 1 line it means not only do they lose touch with consumers like mr. gonzi,

>>> it means not only do they lose touch with consumers like mr. gonzi,

but they pile up expenses without enough diverse product and distribution to off-set it...

quoted 3 lines why do other indie labels make money and astralwerks does not?

>>why do other indie labels make money and astralwerks does not? > >you've audited their books, have you?

quoted 1 line as a matter of fact, i have....

>>>as a matter of fact, i have....

quoted 4 lines why dont they listen to their consumers?

>>why dont they listen to their consumers? > >you mean when their consumers say "hey, drop the prices on your stuff >to the point where you start losing money?"

quoted 1 line no, it means maybe you should be constantly re-evaluating your costs

>> no, it means maybe you should be constantly re-evaluating your costs

to assure that they are in line with what others are charging...obviously, if ur product is $ 4.00 more expensive than others, something is wrong (see above for examples)

quoted 3 lines heres one telling you exactly like it is....

>heres one telling you exactly like it is.... > >sounds like you're guessing to me.

quoted 1 line please dont mis-quote me...mr. gonzi, the consumer, was telling you in

>> please dont mis-quote me...mr. gonzi, the consumer, was telling you in

no uncertain terms exactly how he feels...i didnt need to guess... tom w

1997-04-04 22:27thomas m weibrechtOn Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:01:39 -0800 (PST) Random Junk <jsd@gamespot.com> writes: >thomas m w

From:: thomas m weibrecht <tweibrecht@juno.com>
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Date:: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 17:27:25 EST
Subject:: Re: (idm) astralwerks - rip off artists

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:01:39 -0800 (PST) Random Junk <jsd@gamespot.com> writes:

quoted 10 lines thomas m weibrecht writes:

>thomas m weibrecht writes: >> >>why does their distribution suck? >> > >> >how did you arrive at this conclusion? they have one of the best >> >distribution channels of any indie label in the US. >> >> then why cant u find any of their releases in the mass market >outlets? > >i can! where do you live anyway?

quoted 1 line i have a tower records within a mile...in all fairness, i did find

>i have a tower records within a mile...in all fairness, i did find

excursions in ambience 3...

quoted 7 lines why do other indie labels make money and astralwerks does not?

>> >>why do other indie labels make money and astralwerks does not? >> > >> >you've audited their books, have you? >> >> >>>as a matter of fact, i have.... > >and, what do they say?

quoted 1 line just what i said...they have huge promotion, marketing, and overhead

>just what i said...they have huge promotion, marketing, and overhead

expenses which are totally outta whack for an outfit their size...costs which unnecesarily inflate the cost of the final product...

quoted 11 lines no, it means maybe you should be constantly re-evaluating your

>> >> no, it means maybe you should be constantly re-evaluating your >costs >> to assure that they are in line with what others are >> charging...obviously, if ur product is $ 4.00 more expensive than >others, >> something is wrong (see above for examples) > >so you would prefer they just went out of business now instead of >trying to succeed? cos that's what you're suggesting. if you really >have read their books and they are in such dire shape, dropping their >prices is about the WORST thing they could do, don't you think?

i couldnt care less...the track they are following makes it almost inevitable...the artists and the music will survive, probably better, elsewhere....

quoted 5 lines please dont mis-quote me...mr. gonzi, the consumer, was telling

>> >> please dont mis-quote me...mr. gonzi, the consumer, was telling >you in >> no uncertain terms exactly how he feels...i didnt need to guess... > >yes but gonzi is full of crap.

and thats just the attitude thats gonna sink them.... tom w

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