On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:28:42 +0000 () "Nate Harrison [Digital Magician
Inc]" <nate@digimagician.com> writes:
quoted 10 lines Well CHris herein lies the problem of trying to decipher between what
>
>Well CHris herein lies the problem of trying to decipher between what
>is 'Jungle' and what is 'Drumnbass': there are several artists who have
>an affinity for both, who kind of have their foot in both doorways...
>
>Luke Vibert aka Plug is one of these people. His take on (I will now
>simply use the term 'uptempo brekbeat') is truly unique. IMHO Plug is
>the least 'drillnbass' of the practioners of that subgenre (ie AFX,
>Squareepusher, Tpower, etc), though arguably the first. Plug 1,2 are
>hard to find, but do yourself a huge favor and pick up Plug's Drum nquoted 2 lines for Papa. A perfect blend of breaks and samples that soothe the mind as
>for Papa. A perfect blend of breaks and samples that soothe the mind as
>well as tease those dancing feet. I consider this album to be a mustquoted 2 lines staple breakbeat record. Plus, they recenlty re-issued it with the
>staple breakbeat record. Plus, they recenlty re-issued it with the
>Plug 3 EP as a bonus CD. quoted 2 lines Regarding your last post, I think it is problematic to group what you
>Regarding your last post, I think it is problematic to group what you
>call the boring stuff into 'jungle' and the weirdo left of centerquoted 4 lines madness into 'drumnbass', even though I suggested their sort of is a
>madness into 'drumnbass', even though I suggested their sort of is a
>difference. You see you have to look at the phenomenon of breakbeat
>culture and club culture as a whole before you can make statements
>like "not-so-intelli-sounding". IMHO opinion a certain vibe, orquoted 4 lines for making music, like the original junglists who tend not to sway away
>for making music, like the original junglists who tend not to sway away
>from the proven formula, does not constitute non-intelligence. Quite the
>contrary. Even though you or I may regard jungle as primitive or
>boring compared to recent Tom J. breakbeat endeavors, it does notquoted 1 line the fact that Jungle was a creative and noteworthy departure from techno
>the fact that Jungle was a creative and noteworthy departure from technoquoted 8 lines at that point (early-mid 90's). I mean, if jungle is so boring and over
>at that point (early-mid 90's). I mean, if jungle is so boring and over
>rated, then why on earth is *everyone* nowadays experimenting with
>brekbeats? I think it is a totally legitimate style, although no style
>is without flaws. To clarify I'll give you 2 examples:
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>1. I would consider Run DMC's earliest records to be hip hop classics,
>though if you were to play them today, they would surely sound dated
>(and perhaps boring). It's all about contexts my friend. you have toquoted 8 lines trying to equate and compare what Someone like Tom J. is doing with
>trying to equate and compare what Someone like Tom J. is doing with
>someone like Goldie. Actually recently I've found myself going back to
>my Shy FX type records. Too much Squarepusher gives me a headache!:)
>Seriously there is a certain niave raw flavor to Jungle which I dig.
>
>2. Like I said earlier, there are several people who kind of fall into
>both categories: Mark and Dego, aka 4Hero, aka Tek 9, aka Jacob's
>optical Stairway is another example. Their early Tek 9 stuff is classicquoted 4 lines obnoxious jungle, they set the standard. Then you have their Jacob's
>obnoxious jungle, they set the standard. Then you have their Jacob's
>Optical Stairway album, which is one of the most beautiful jazz
>fusion/Detroit strings/tweaked breaks albums I have ever heard. I
>still play this album like every other week. Definitley more of a chillquoted 5 lines listening album. and of course a Guy Called Gerald, the king of
>listening album. and of course a Guy Called Gerald, the king of
>intelli-jungle (wait, isn't that an oxymoron? No!)
>
>Just keep listening to all sorts of brekbeat records, some you'll
>hate, some you'll love, but most will not fall nicely into those niftyquoted 1 line and jungle categories.
>and jungle categories.quoted 1 line Buy PLug!
>Buy PLug!quoted 1 line Nate
>Nate