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1997-02-24 01:40James M. BonTempo> i think our motto should be "it ain't where you're from, it's where you're at." this wor

From:: James M. BonTempo <bontempo@n2k.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Cc:: <sd@gamespot.com>
Date:: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:40:36 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) It Ain't Where You're From, It's Where You're At.

quoted 1 line i think our motto should be "it ain't where you're from, it's where yo

> i think our motto should be "it ain't where you're from, it's where you're at."

this works very well with the post i just sent out a few minutes ago [sorry, a bit behind on my mail]...it may be the case that it is the movement of dance music _from_ somewhere _to_ it's current position (where you're from, where you're at) that creates the "intelligence," that creates the difference and stimulates the discourse...stillness (ie. physical silence) is death... more thoughts, jamesbt -- Lead Encoding Specialist N2K Entertainment/Music Boulevard http://www.musicblvd.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4055 "mod is a system of codes marshaled toward self-alienation" - matthew waid parker [modslister]

1997-03-09 14:12Matthew D. SmithI gotta second this thought 1000%... >All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their

From:: Matthew D. Smith <a72928@chilloutroom.eskom.co.za>
To:: 'idm@hyperreal.com' <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:12:34 -0000
Subject:: RE: (idm) Put an end to the U2 thread please

I gotta second this thought 1000%...

quoted 4 lines All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their tunes and now we need to

>All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their tunes and now we need to >consider them IDM??? If that be the case, shit we might as well talk about >Madonna. Most of her songs are dancey, if they are intelligent in anyway is >another story.

This kind of thing pisses me off big time about a lot of people I know. All of a sudden grungoid rawknroll is no longer quite as trendy as it was, the masses are on a dance tip, E is the shit (*hahaha*), and wanker pop star muso's are cashing in on it. Friends of mine believe the wanker poppy music coming out is the new edge. Bollocks! I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow - makes me wanna puke!! & I don't care who remixed/produced the dancey version). The problem is when POP wankers & the MAN hijack kif producers they tend to lose their street appeal. I mean can I trust HowieB again after doing work on POP. Likewise what about Eno????? But now the other problem is. How far do we go... U2 is one thing, but what about bands like Underworld. I still have a bit of a hard time liking them because they will always be a POP band (does anyone remember "Underneath the Radar") in my eyes, it smelt to me the first time I heard dubnobasswithmyheadman that Underworld had hijacked a genre started by people like Orbital and made a POP album out of it. Even the Shamen made POP music in the 80's.

quoted 1 line but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock!

>but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock!

And must be our resounding athem.... IDM is not ROCK!!!! chillos Kontrolman

1997-03-10 18:30random junkOn 09-Mar-97 Matthew D. Smith wrote: >I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow

From:: random junk <jsd@gamespot.com>
To:: idm@hyperreal.com <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:30:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: (idm) It Ain't Where You're From, It's Where You're At.
Reply to:: RE: (idm) Put an end to the U2 thread please

On 09-Mar-97 Matthew D. Smith wrote:

quoted 2 lines I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow - makes me wanna puke!!

>I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow - makes me wanna puke!! >& I don't care who remixed/produced the dancey version).

i do. who did that remix anyway? i love it.

quoted 3 lines The problem is when POP wankers & the MAN hijack kif producers they tend to

>The problem is when POP wankers & the MAN hijack kif producers they tend to >lose their street appeal. I mean can I trust Howie B again after doing work on >POP. Likewise what about Eno?????

you sir, are a fool. howie b sucked long before he went into the studio with U2. conversely, eno is still awesome, and his work with U2 was pretty damn good. i have no particular love for orbital, but how many people on this list decided to boycott them after they remixed madonna? not too many i bet, given by the amount of mindless drooling appreciation that "in sides" (a huge steaming turd of an album) got. meat beat manifesto have remixed some pretty dodgy people (the shamen?) but they always manage to turn crap into gold. to sum it up, in the words of rakim "it ain't where you're from, it's where you're at!"

quoted 5 lines U2 is one thing, but what about bands like Underworld. I still have a bit of a

>U2 is one thing, but what about bands like Underworld. I still have a bit of a >hard time liking them because they will always be a POP band (does anyone >remember "Underneath the Radar") in my eyes, it smelt to me the first time I >heard dubnobasswithmyheadman that Underworld had hijacked a genre started by >people like Orbital and made a POP album out of it.

so what? it was a damned fine album. they took the best of both worlds (dance & pop) and created a very heady brew.

quoted 1 line Even the Shamen made POP music in the 80's.

>Even the Shamen made POP music in the 80's.

and most of it was much better than their largely pathetic dance stuff. i would listen to "in gorbachev we trust" again. i will not listen to "boss drum" again.

quoted 3 lines but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock!

>>but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock! > >And must be our resounding athem.... IDM is not ROCK!!!!

i think our motto should be "it ain't where you're from, it's where you're at." on now: tranquility bass - let the freak flag fly (rock, salsa, samples, folk music, drum loops, guitar, synths, god knows what else... a strange psychedelic stew of influences.) Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- System Administrator SpotMedia Communications

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