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quoted 1 line Kraftwerk- Deranged In Space

>Kraftwerk- Deranged In Space

What is this? Have I missed Kraftwerk's new single or something? ---

quoted 5 lines (c) is the year the material was copyrighted

>> (c) is the year the material was copyrighted >> (p) is the year of production > >(c) designates a copyright in the album artwork,"trade dress" and other >visual crap. (p) designated a copyright in the sound recording.

No, (c) means the copyright for the item as a whole, i.e. both music and artwork. (p) is followed by the year the songs were published and by whom, which has nothing to do with the actual recording of them. Cheers, Johan. ,,, /'~'\ ( 0 0 ) +----------------------------oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------------+ Johan Jaatinen Electronic music maker Anika@Info.LiU.SE Oooo. Radio DJ MU WILL RISE AGAIN .oooO ( ) Vegetarian +-----------------------------( )----) /------------------------------+ \ ( (_/ \_)

On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Anika & Johan wrote:

quoted 3 lines No, (c) means the copyright for the item as a whole, i.e. both music and

> No, (c) means the copyright for the item as a whole, i.e. both music and > artwork. (p) is followed by the year the songs were published and by whom, > which has nothing to do with the actual recording of them.

No, as I said before (c) applies to the art,trade dress, visual stuff and (p) applies to the sound recording. Please direct your attention to: Copyright Act of 1976 As Amended, 17 U.S.C.A. Sections 101-810; 1001-10 Specifically: Section 402 Notice of Copyright: Phonorecords of Sound Recordings (a) General Provisions. - Whenever a sound recording protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publically distributed phonorecords of the sound recording. (b) Form of Notice. - If a notice appears on the phonorecords, it shall consist of the following three elements: (1) the symbol P (the letter P in a circle); [...] (c) Position of Notice.- The notice shall be placed on the surface of the phonorecord, or on the phonorecord label or container, in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. Given that this is the idm list, I will not apologize for being anal-retentive in my depraved need for redemption ;) khannan suntharam kxs28972@bayou.uh.edu

On 28-Feb-97, khannan suntharam scribbled something about Re: (idm) Deranged In Space:

quoted 1 line On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Anika & Johan wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Anika & Johan wrote:

quoted 2 lines No, as I said before (c) applies to the art,trade dress, visual stuff and

>No, as I said before (c) applies to the art,trade dress, visual stuff and >(p) applies to the sound recording. Please direct your attention to:

quoted 14 lines Copyright Act of 1976 As Amended, 17 U.S.C.A. Sections 101-810; 1001-10

>Copyright Act of 1976 As Amended, 17 U.S.C.A. Sections 101-810; 1001-10 >Specifically: >Section 402 Notice of Copyright: Phonorecords of Sound Recordings >(a) General Provisions. - Whenever a sound recording protected under this >title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the >copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be >placed on publically distributed phonorecords of the sound recording. >(b) Form of Notice. - If a notice appears on the phonorecords, it shall >consist of the following three elements: > (1) the symbol P (the letter P in a circle); >[...] >(c) Position of Notice.- The notice shall be placed on the surface of the >phonorecord, or on the phonorecord label or container, in such manner and >location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright.

remember though he lives in Sweden. -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= Do re mi fa so la ti .. Oh let's see if we can make it easier..

On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Hillie wrote:

quoted 3 lines remember though he lives in Sweden.

> > remember though he lives in Sweden. >

Isn't that a WTO country? Damn europeans making us yanks sign that Berne convention so their wussy, pretty-boy artists can get hard earned US money!!!!!! Hehehe..just kidding...;) khannan suntharam kxs28972@bayou.uh.edu

On Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:23:09 -0600 (CST), you wrote:

quoted 23 lines On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Anika & Johan wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Anika & Johan wrote: > >> No, (c) means the copyright for the item as a whole, i.e. both music and >> artwork. (p) is followed by the year the songs were published and by whom, >> which has nothing to do with the actual recording of them. > >No, as I said before (c) applies to the art,trade dress, visual stuff and >(p) applies to the sound recording. Please direct your attention to: > >Copyright Act of 1976 As Amended, 17 U.S.C.A. Sections 101-810; 1001-10 >Specifically: >Section 402 Notice of Copyright: Phonorecords of Sound Recordings >(a) General Provisions. - Whenever a sound recording protected under this >title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the >copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be >placed on publically distributed phonorecords of the sound recording. >(b) Form of Notice. - If a notice appears on the phonorecords, it shall >consist of the following three elements: > (1) the symbol P (the letter P in a circle); >[...] >(c) Position of Notice.- The notice shall be placed on the surface of the >phonorecord, or on the phonorecord label or container, in such manner and >location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright.

yeah, the so called (p) and (c) codes are merely conventions at least in the uk and have very little (if any) legal 'weight'. in the uk the (p) line is taken to indicate the holder of copyright in the *recording* (NOT the *composition* ie. publishing) and the date is date of first release. if a release is licensed to another label for less than the full period of copyright the (p) line should still be the original record label. the (c) line indicates the owner of copyright in the release's artwork. but as most labels get them totally wrong they don't mean much... g.