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1997-02-06 07:11Jeremy Meyers (idm) Couple of Things
└─ 1997-02-07 02:38Hillie Re: (idm) idm as the mainstream
1997-02-07 13:24FreyGuy Re: (idm) idm as the mainstream
1997-02-07 15:19Adam J Weitzman Re: (idm) idm as the mainstream
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1997-02-06 07:11Jeremy Meyers1) is Bandulu's "Guidance" any good? I had it on my "to buy" list awhile back but somewher
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1) is Bandulu's "Guidance" any good? I had it on my "to buy" list awhile back but somewhere along the line it got removed for some reason 2) Can anyone find a copy of Exist dance: Transmitting from Heaven anywhere? i believe its out of print but i kinda wanted a copy 3) re: the "mainstreaming of IDM" I think we should just wait and see. This genre of music (i feel) takes more of a specific type of person to appreciate, so "true" IDM may not end up being that popular I don't think its really that fair to compare this to the Alternative "era". Most alternative music was (IMHO) based on two albums (which in turn had their influences, but were big commercially). Pearl Jam's "Ten" (still a great album) and Nirvana's "Nevermind". IDM, on the other hand, hasn't really had a big commercial hit as of yet, so there isn't really much for the average consumer to build off of. Babbling and not making a whole lot of sense Jeremy ---- Speak not, for I take my leave of thee -Romeo and Juliet Assistant Content Manager, Youth Action Online (http://www.youth.org) HTML Coder, Disney Online (http://www.family.com/) Master, EFNet #gayoasis, Online Peer Counselor and all around nice guy Student, Urban Academy High School, NYC (URL forthcoming) http://www.pobox.com/~softlord/ mailto:softlord@pobox.com
1997-02-07 02:38HillieOn 06-Feb-97, Jeremy Meyers scribbled something about (idm) Couple of Things: >3) re: the
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On 06-Feb-97, Jeremy Meyers scribbled something about (idm) Couple of Things:
quoted 10 lines 3) re: the "mainstreaming of IDM">3) re: the "mainstreaming of IDM" >I think we should just wait and see. This genre of music (i feel) takes >more of a specific type of person to appreciate, so >"true" IDM may not end up being that popular >I don't think its really that fair to compare this to the Alternative >"era". Most alternative music was (IMHO) based on two albums (which in >turn had their influences, but were big commercially). Pearl Jam's "Ten" >(still a great album) and Nirvana's "Nevermind". IDM, on the other hand, >hasn't really had a big commercial hit as of yet, so there isn't really >much for the average consumer to build off of.
I just read the article in Newsweek.. sucks rocks, they say they are going to "cut up" the tracks and make radio edits, and they say The Prodigy and Chemical Bros. have already done this, i've only heard one track from Chem.Bros. so I can't say nothing, but I can surely say the radio edit of Firestarter sucks shit. I seriously hope no other of the artists I love so much do this, it would be horrible :( At least we can trust that RDJ won't have radio edits, unless someone else makes them. Unless it's cool, which I doubt. Radio edit usually = a fucked up version of the track so that the masses want to buy the record when they hear it on the radio. -- Hillie aka Aurafix / PHD ja DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html phase distortion - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~airou/phd/ easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...
1997-02-07 13:24FreyGuyHillie wrote: > At least we can trust that RDJ won't have radio edits, unless someone else
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Hillie wrote:
quoted 2 lines At least we can trust that RDJ won't have radio edits, unless someone else> At least we can trust that RDJ won't have radio edits, unless someone else > makes them.
Yeah, with cuts off RDJ, who needs a radio edit (i.e. cut DOWN versions)!!?!? Hell, in the time it takes to play a hootie song, you can go through 3 RDJ tracks. Kev. -- FreyGuy <Everyday is FreyDay> Lotus Notes & LAN Administrator Hansen Corporation / A Minebea Group Company KevFrey@evansville.net --------- Kfrey@nyx.net WebSite: http://www.evansville.net/~kevfrey/ "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams." - Willy Wonka (by Gene Wilder)
1997-02-07 15:19Adam J WeitzmanHillie wrote: > I just read the article in Newsweek.. sucks rocks, they say they are > goi
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Hillie wrote:
quoted 3 lines I just read the article in Newsweek.. sucks rocks, they say they are> I just read the article in Newsweek.. sucks rocks, they say they are > going to "cut up" the tracks and make radio edits, and they say The > Prodigy and Chemical Bros. have already done this
Why this is a necessarily "bad" thing is beyond me. I would suggest that the 4-minute versions of "The Box," "Born Slippy (NUXX)" and "Voodoo People" (to name three) are perfectly acceptable representations of those respective songs. I would even go so far as to say that the edit of the Prodigy song is *better* than the album version, because it flows better and has less extraneous stuff in it; it hits hard and finishes clean (even with the fade at the end). On the other hand, I heard an edit of "Leave Home" on the radio the other night which felt much more discontinuous and haphazard than the original, which is truly a damn fine song in every way IMHO. Some people have said on this list that one of the things they didn't like about the Aphex Twin album is that the songs were too short. I am of the opinion that some songs need to be short, and other songs need to be longer, just based on how they feel. A couple of the songs on _RDJ_ just *feel* to me like they need to be longer ("Peek"), whereas others work perfectly well at their short length ("Corn Mouth") and others just seem to be drawn out a bit too long ("Girl/Boy"). In the past, I've felt that AFX does a great job of making tracks just as long as they need to be, but on this most recent album he didn't do quite as good a job. I still like the disc a lot, though.
quoted 1 line but I can surely say the radio edit of Firestarter sucks shit.> but I can surely say the radio edit of Firestarter sucks shit.
Actually, every version of "Firestarter" sucks shit, but that's a different argument. :-) To think that they wasted a perfectly good Art Of Noise sample on that tune... _Jilted_ was so good, I really thought they were headed in the right direction.
quoted 3 lines Radio edit usually = a fucked up> Radio edit usually = a fucked up > version of the track so that the masses want to buy the record when > they hear it on the radio.
The inherent problem with a radio edit is that it implies an artistic meltdown in the face of potential airplay, ie, "we'd play your song if it was a minute shorter," so the artist (or worse, the label) slices and dices the song to conform to that. It is very likely that if the artists in question were not concerned about radio play, they would not release such edits, and to do so compromises the integrity of the artist just a bit. But the end result isn't always all bad. -- Adam J Weitzman "Getting [your computer] to work is no more Individual, Inc. difficult than building a nuclear reactor weitzman@individual.com from wristwatch parts using only your teeth." http://www.individual.com - Dave Barry