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quoted 7 lines From: boweryelectric@mindspring.com

>From: boweryelectric@mindspring.com >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 01:08:46 -0500 >Subject: (idm) E2-E4 > >Could someone pass along label info, etc. on the original pressing of Manuel >Gottsching's "E2-E4" ? Thanks >

Side 1: 31'38 Side 2: 23'00 Ruhige Nervositat 13 Gemassigter Aufbruch 10 ...und Mittelspiel 7 Ansatz 1 -- corresponds to side 1 Damen-Eleganza 5 Ehrenvioler Kampf 3 Hoheit weicht (nicht ohne Schwung...) 9 ...und Souveranitat 3 Remis 3 -- corresponds to side 2 Guitar & Electronics: Manuel Gottsching Produced by Manuel Gottsching Composition by Manuel Gottsching Recorded at Studio Roma, Berlin P+C Manuel Gottsching MCMLXXXIV (1984) under licence to Klaus Schulze Manufactured by INTEAM GmbH Distributed by DEUTSCHE AUSTROPHON, 2840 Diepholz Made in Germany ID 20.004 [on the label] alle urheber und leistungsschutzrechte vorbehalten. Kein verleihi keine unerlaubte vervielfaltigung, vermietung, auffuhring, sendung! Sorry, no umlauts. -- Caleb T. Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com ;; standard disclaimers apply

quoted 2 lines Lance, Alcomendras, Duke, Sines, Dan(from the U.K), Turgeon, CIM, Irene

>Lance, Alcomendras, Duke, Sines, Dan(from the U.K), Turgeon, CIM, Irene >and any others who might help and have this Dated gem.......

quoted 2 lines E2-E4, Manuel Gottsching(aka Juan Atkins)..........1981, Spalax label(I

>E2-E4, Manuel Gottsching(aka Juan Atkins)..........1981, Spalax label(I >believe)...

quoted 2 lines The Track is about 15 minutes in length and its in the House vein.....

>The Track is about 15 minutes in length and its in the House vein..... >Anybody got it or know of it?

quoted 1 line Thanks!

>Thanks!

quoted 1 line O~

>O~

It's actually a lot longer & it's not by Juan Atkins, Manuel Gottsching is the guy's actual name, some German avant garde geezah. If you've ever hear Sueno Latino then you've basically heard this, as SL ripped this off just adding some Italian house diva orgasmic groaning and an extra bass beat. The tune is 45 minutes long roughly, and the second side unwisely (IMO) adds a little bit of guitar wankery. It's still a good record though, kinda like a bridge between Steve Reich and Chicago house. It's not too hard to get hold of second hand, at least in the UK, and I think its been reissued several times as the copy I've got is dated '91. Anyone out there got the new Faultline album? np. autechre - cichli

Okay thanks to the help of some, I discovered this is the Song that I have been after BUT....... and allow me to describe it, its slow in the beginning, and builds, and builds(True House)! In fact, the Paperclip People version contains elements which the original(my tape) has....... Please, any more suggestions......I gotta find, and have, this! O~

quoted 3 lines Please, any more suggestions......I gotta find, and have, this!

> >Please, any more suggestions......I gotta find, and have, this! >

Hey Kelley, you should check out some B-12, Statis, and Derrick May too, I really think youd like them! ;) ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems Fort Worth, Texas

wasnt this reissued within the last few years? i got my copy (i think) last year or the year before... im not sure but the label looks like disk union (?)... side one is 31:38 and side two is 23:00. i see manuel gottsching stuff all the time. check the new age section at your local main stream record shop. (manuel gottsching was also doing stuff under a different name... i seem to remember seeing a box set with him and klause shulze {sp?} dont remember that other name tho...) .oO(}{). On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:43:45 -0500 Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu> writes:

quoted 11 lines Okay thanks to the help of some, I discovered this is the Song

>Okay thanks to the help of some, I discovered this is the Song >that I have been after BUT....... > >and allow me to describe it, its slow in the beginning, and builds, >and >builds(True House)! In fact, the Paperclip People version contains >elements which the original(my tape) has....... > >Please, any more suggestions......I gotta find, and have, this! > >O~

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quoted 1 line i see manuel gottsching stuff all the time.

> i see manuel gottsching stuff all the time.

E2-E4 is probably his best, but there are a couple of other excellent Gottsching records, most of which were done under his two guises, Ashra and Ash Ra Tempel. The early records (all Ash Ra Tempel) are bluesy kraut-psych and very erratic, but he got into a great groove during the mid-'70s with New Age of Earth (my personal favorite) and Blackouts (both under Ashra). Both are quite similar to E2-E4, very ambient and flowing, a much better use of guitar-wank for atmospheric effect than Steve Hillage ever managed... There are reviews and such at http://allmusic.com/.

quoted 2 lines i seem to remember seeing a box

> i seem to remember seeing a box > set with him and klause shulze {sp?}

Schulze appeared on one of the early Ash Ra Tempel LPs, I think it was Join Inn... .John.

In a message dated 10/15/1999 3:11:43 PM EDT, johbus@allmusic.com writes:

quoted 1 line Schulze appeared on one of the early Ash Ra Tempel LPs, I think it was Join

> Schulze appeared on one of the early Ash Ra Tempel LPs, I think it was Join

Inn... Schulze was a founding member of Ash Ra Tempel - i think it's an offshoot of his previous group, Psy Free. he served as drummer and all-around-electronics-dude during early gigs and on the first (and best) A.R.T. album (s/t) - check side 2 ("Traummaschine" - pure Schulze!) - but left before Schwingungen (LP2). he definitely wasn't around as late as Join Inn (LP4) mr. e now on: abdelah ghania: invocation (baraka)

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 Echophoria@aol.com wrote:

quoted 11 lines In a message dated 10/15/1999 3:11:43 PM EDT, johbus@allmusic.com writes:

> In a message dated 10/15/1999 3:11:43 PM EDT, johbus@allmusic.com writes: > > > Schulze appeared on one of the early Ash Ra Tempel LPs, I think it was Join > Inn... > > Schulze was a founding member of Ash Ra Tempel - i think it's an offshoot of > his previous group, Psy Free. he served as drummer and > all-around-electronics-dude during early gigs and on the first (and best) > A.R.T. album (s/t) - check side 2 ("Traummaschine" - pure Schulze!) - but > left before Schwingungen (LP2). he definitely wasn't around as late as Join > Inn (LP4)

Join Inn did indeed feature Schulze- apparently Gottsching met up with Schulze when they were recording Walter Wegmuller's mighty _Tarot_ and this prompted some sort of studio reunion later. Never heard of Psy Free, though it should be noted that Ash Ra Tempel was previously known as the Steeplechase Blues Band (then, as always, under Gottsching's leadership) and changed their name (and sound) when Klaus joined up. Hopefully everybody here is also aware that Schulze was famously previously in Tangerine Dream (on board for one stupendous freakout album, _Electronic Meditation_). A previous poster, in reference to a Gottsching/Schulze box might have been a bit confused (or is more on top of things than I am, which admittedly isn't that hard to accomplish). There have been numerous Schulze sets released (one a 20+ CD monster), as well as a Gottsching/Ash Ra Tempel 6 CD set, entitled _Private Tapes_. A distillation of the latter was released by Cleopatra as a 2CD, focusing on the later, analog synth stuff. Which, I will grant you is pretty smoove, but not quite up to the brain-bombing level of some of the earlier material that the original set displayed (35 minute jam w/original line up? _and it delivers_... nuff said). No Schulze/Gottsching box was ever released per se, though of course Klaus shows up in his usual role in the ART band material. -rob