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quoted 8 lines WL>The new FSOL is suppose to come out in October. I have a dreadful old

>WL>The new FSOL is suppose to come out in October. I have a dreadful old >WL>single of Humanoid - Slam (Pre-FSOL), the Stakker Humanoid is great for >WL>its time. But the Humanoid - Slam single is the worst shite I have heard >WL>in a long time. > >You will find that most old FSOL and pre-FSOL releases are pure crap - >they admit so themselves, they were made purely to make some dosh. >

IMO FSOL R D most overrated duo and it pisses me off regulary! Lifeforms kisses the ass of the mainstream media so enthusiasticaly it makes me cry everytime I listen to ACCELERATOR, their masterpiece. regards / snow. snowjob@actcom.co.il The Morpheus Equation: Start + Middle + End = Sand

quoted 2 lines Lifeforms kisses the ass of the mainstream media so enthusiasticaly it makes

> Lifeforms kisses the ass of the mainstream media so enthusiasticaly it makes > me cry everytime I listen to ACCELERATOR, their masterpiece.

I am surprised that someone would like ACCELERATOR over ISDN or LIFEFORMS. I bought Accelerator when it first came out, and sold a week later. I thought the were two really Good tracks and the rest were very disappointing. I thought ISDN, LIFEFORMS, and the AMORPHIS ANDROGENOUS were great. I bought Accelerator again two or three years later, thinking that I might like it a little bit better. I didn't!! I also have some tracks of theirs, under different names. Most of them are pretty good, but The HUMANOID - Slam is horrible. It is so bad, that it is actually funny. I think they are a GREAT band, now! +**********************+ | Bill Samuels | | wls@U.Arizona.EDU | +**********************+

quoted 1 line Lifeforms kisses the ass of the mainstream media so enthusiastically

>> Lifeforms kisses the ass of the mainstream media so enthusiastically

Yeah, and dogs flew spaceships.

quoted 1 line it makes me cry everytime I listen to ACCELERATOR, their masterpiece.

>> it makes me cry everytime I listen to ACCELERATOR, their masterpiece.

Wait ... this was a troll, wasn't it?

quoted 1 line I am surprised that someone would like ACCELERATOR over ISDN or LIFEFORMS.

> I am surprised that someone would like ACCELERATOR over ISDN or LIFEFORMS.

OK, OK, enough!!! I'm going to settle this once and for all! If you don't like them all, you're mad :-) (Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped into the backseat of a car cruising randomly around San Francisco, while flaming on good E under a beautiful clear night sky and with "Lifeforms" on the deck. Only then, young Grasshopper, will you Truly Understand.) - Greg

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 4 lines (Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped int

> (Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped into > the backseat of a car cruising randomly around San Francisco, while flaming > on good E under a beautiful clear night sky and with "Lifeforms" on the deck. > Only then, young Grasshopper, will you Truly Understand.)

If I told you I didn't like "Lifeforms" could you arrange this for me? I suppose after an experience like this, even if Oasis was playing on the decks, I'd probably like it. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 10 lines I am surprised that someone would like ACCELERATOR over ISDN or LIFEFORMS.

> > I am surprised that someone would like ACCELERATOR over ISDN or LIFEFORMS. > > OK, OK, enough!!! I'm going to settle this once and for all! > > If you don't like them all, you're mad :-) > > (Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped into > the backseat of a car cruising randomly around San Francisco, while flaming > on good E under a beautiful clear night sky and with "Lifeforms" on the deck. > Only then, young Grasshopper, will you Truly Understand.)

Here's my take on FSOL: 1st exposure was "Calcium" on Excursions In Ambience I. On the strength of that track I bought "Accelerator". The 1st thing that struck me was what a shitty sounding CD this is. Grainy and compressed with limited frequency repsonse, it sounds like it was recorded using 12 bit samplers and a 4 track. But, there were some cool tracks which have kept it in my regular rotation to this day. Next, I heard "Cascade" in the music store, thought "Ok, all sounds the same, maybe I'll buy it someday". Oops. It took two years for Astralwerks to repress it. Now I've got it, need to listen to it more. Then came "Amorphous Androgynous". I found it a bit hard to get past the blatent byte of Peter Gabriel. I probably don't listen to the disc enough, just because of that sample. "Lifeforms", a sprawling 2CD set that meanders all over the place. It's nice (and innovative) in the way it constantly changes, though it's not very focused. It took them awhile to perfect the art of going somewhere muscially... Oh, and there's that damn Tomita sample that I always have to skip... "Lifeforms Paths 1-7" is okay, but doesn't really pitch my tent. "Darshana" remix of Sylvian/Fripp - one of the alltime great remixes, really. They said they remixed the whole album into this one track , but it's better than the whole album. I haven't listened to the album since... "ISDN" brings back the beat. About fucking time. Brilliant. I was worried that they had lost it on "Lifeforms". "Far Out Son Of Long, etc." - thank God for Astralwerks from those of us that missed it the first time around. Also tracked down "Cow" on EIA4, which is even better. I love bass. "Deseo Remixes" - an ok track, but pales next to the GlobComm stuff. I'm sure there's others that I haven't tracked down, especially the pre-FSOL stuff. All I've heard from that era is "Stakker Humanoid", which is hilarious, great " crank up in the car with the windows down & terrorize the neighborhood with" kind of musick. Where's AA's "Environments", anyway? I think FSOL is one of those groups whose entire opus must be considered, since they can be kind of dodgy on occasion. Che

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 4 lines (Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped int

> (Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped into > the backseat of a car cruising randomly around San Francisco, while flaming > on good E under a beautiful clear night sky and with "Lifeforms" on the deck. > Only then, young Grasshopper, will you Truly Understand.)

For me, Digeridoo did not reach its full potential until I listened to it whilst spinning around in a swivel chair, a strobe light held in front of my closed eyes (a la the Brion Gysin / Ian Sommerville dream machine), and hyperventilating on a joint. This experience is not an effective method for relieving tension. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMOKE TRAK CIGARETTES. THEY LIKE YOU. TRAK LIKE ANY YOU. ANY TRAK LIKE YOU. SMOKE TRAKS. THEY SATISFY. THEY SERVICE. TRAK TRAK TRAK. "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." -Hassan i Sabbah Edward A. Nilges unferth@mcs.net

quoted 3 lines (Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped int

>(Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped into > the backseat of a car cruising randomly around San Francisco, while flaming > on good E under a beautiful clear night sky and with "Lifeforms" on the deck.

Gee. And I thought I was the only one.... Lifeforms may not have been the neatest melodic or timbral experience, but its disparate pallette of sounds call up an extremely complex and highly detailed set of mental images when it is listened to intently, with or without chemical mind enhancement. I could personally direct quite an interesting movie set to Lifeforms, in fact, I think I could come up with several. Therein lies Lifeforms' intrinsic value. Go listen to Mu-ziq if you want cool melodies or Aphex if you want strange timbres. Lifeforms is more of a painting than a work of music.

At 5:25 AM 6/2/96, Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 4 lines (Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped int

>(Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped into > the backseat of a car cruising randomly around San Francisco, while flaming > on good E under a beautiful clear night sky and with "Lifeforms" on the deck. > Only then, young Grasshopper, will you Truly Understand.)

Y'know, if you told me 9 years ago* that I'd find a Greg Earle post that would totally and utterly express my exact thoughts, I'd have said you were mad. Then this goes and happens...! *(yes, i have been hanging out on the same mailing lists as Greg for that long)

On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 6 lines At 5:25 AM 6/2/96, Greg Earle wrote:

> At 5:25 AM 6/2/96, Greg Earle wrote: > >(Anyone who doesn't think "Lifeforms" is brilliant needs to be strapped into > > the backseat of a car cruising randomly around San Francisco, while flaming > > on good E under a beautiful clear night sky and with "Lifeforms" on the deck. > > Only then, young Grasshopper, will you Truly Understand.) >

I've always liked it without taking drugs. Anyone wants to send me a few E's I'll try it under these circumstances at my earliest opportunity!

quoted 4 lines Y'know, if you told me 9 years ago* that I'd find a Greg Earle post that

> Y'know, if you told me 9 years ago* that I'd find a Greg Earle post that > would totally and utterly express my exact thoughts, I'd have said you were > mad. Then this goes and happens...! >

JSD in perfect agreement with ANYONE is an occasion for a fresh 6 of Corona and a bag of limes! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Check the lame home page http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

William L Samuels said once upon a time:

quoted 6 lines I am surprised that someone would like ACCELERATOR over ISDN or

>I am surprised that someone would like ACCELERATOR over ISDN or >LIFEFORMS. I bought Accelerator when it first came out, and sold a week >later. I thought the were two really Good tracks and the rest were very >disappointing. I thought ISDN, LIFEFORMS, and the AMORPHIS ANDROGENOUS >were great. I bought Accelerator again two or three years later, thinking >that I might like it a little bit better. I didn't!!

My liking of "Accellerator" stems from the fact that it was so completely different from anyting else at the time it was released that I was absolutely floored by it. FSOL has managed to keep up that inititive with subsequent releases.

it seems sad to me that you play yourself of as some kind of expert as is so easy in the little electronic void that we occupy that you'd see fit to defame an outfit (fsol) whose made an effort to really change the way we think about music... it may not be the most provocative thing ever...but keep your bandwidth to yourself if you don't have anything interesting to say...i'm frankly all for the free exchange of ideas that goes on via email and the web but the free exchange of uninformed rants is simply an unfortunate byproduct which you are taking part in. paul.

"How do they do this shit" that is my first reaction. (only gotten thru the first 5 tracks so I will say more later) Sure people who make this kinda music must be on some serious drugs to come up with this shit, and yes my friends DEAD CITiES is the shit (so far). np: track #6 on Dead Cities (still not done) anyone else notice the sex sound on track #3? Uh Uh Uh Uh... gil the other idiot in Orange County, CA (who finally has a job!)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:59:18 +0000 From: Gilbert ViDela <gmv500@earthlink.net> Reply-to: gmv500@earthlink.net To: idm@hyperreal.com Subject: (idm) FSOL "How do they do this shit" that is my first reaction. (only gotten thru the first 5 tracks so I will say more later) Sure people who make this kinda music must be on some serious drugs to come up with this shit, and yes my friends DEAD CITiES is the shit (so far). ************' I'm not sure I'm with you. I've listened through twice and to me it sounds like ISDN and Lifeforms mixed together. I prefer the separate entities to this one. I remember that both of the previous releases had to grow on me (and now they are among my favorites) and I'm going to give this one room to also. (Congrats on the new job) http://home.earthlink.net/~remora rem.o.ra \'rem-*-r*\ \-r*d\ n [L, lit., delay, fr. remorari to delay, fr. re- + morari to d]elay - more at MORATORY 1: any of several specialized fishes (of Echeneis and related genera) having the anterior dorsal fin converted into a suctorial disk on the head by means of which they cling to other fishes and to ships

Just thought I would say how good I think the new FSOL is; Its very good. Hard to decide whether the book is worth the extra even if it is amazing to view. I actually love the hardness of the few tracks. While Lifeforms pretty much wanked itself over two full length discs this is much more certain of where it is going and there is a genuine development to the tracks, some of them surprisingly emotive. I think its the best yet even though I like them all. Just waiting to see the film now!

quoted 6 lines I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I

>> > I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I >> > get pissed about some scrambled up Dead Can Dance >> > section, I think about track 4 (We Have Explosive). It >> > is noisy, heavy and wonderful. >> Too true! The rest of the disc hasn't been incredibly >> thrilling yet, but We Have Explosive is great.

t> I'm exactly the opposite. I think "We have Explosive" is t> utter garbage. But the rest of the disc is pretty t> interesting. Especially "Dead Cities" and "Her face forms in t> the summertime". I saw nearly all the video's from the new album on MTV Europe this weekend. I can't remember being that bored for ages ... Bubbles, the same sad looking little girl, bubbles, branches, bubbles ... computer animation. Yawn. The music was, by FSOL standards, pretty innovative I suppose, but still it did absolutely nothing for me. We have explosive is a promising title, but delivery is clearly delayed. Helen

On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:56:42 GMT ROWLAND ATKINSON proferred the following assessment of FSOL: Dead Cities:

quoted 2 lines Its very good. Hard to decide whether the book is worth the extra

> Its very good. Hard to decide whether the book is worth the extra > even if it is amazing to view.

Sorry, Rowland, but . . . Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy. 12.99 for the normal ed. as opposed to 16.99 for the special ed. means one is forking out 4 quid for the "privilege" of owning 196 diminutive pages of what is essentially glossy visual vacuousness. But then again of course it is the "exclusivity" that draws us in rather than the "extras". There! That's set the feline quadruped among the bone-nosed rats with wings.

quoted 2 lines I actually love the hardness of the few tracks. While Lifeforms pretty

> I actually love the hardness of the few tracks. While Lifeforms pretty > much wanked itself over two full length discs

Are you saying it was toss? ;)

quoted 2 lines this is much more certain of where it is going and there is a genuine

> this is much more certain of where it is going and there is a genuine > development to the tracks, some of them surprisingly emotive.

I beg to differ. The experience of listening to Dead Cities was for me akin to that of having a shower in a plastic mac (not a customary practice for me, by the way). There was the perceptible sensation of something resembling warmth/feeling and certain pleasurable elements "out there" but it just didn't penetrate through to the soul; like registering "intellectually" that something satisfying was present in the immediate environment but at the same time being conscious of an obstructive layer forbidding full access to satisfaction. Try it. You'll see.* Frustrating. alan/beyondthebristolsound (*I recommend Dannimac -- heheh)

quoted 4 lines On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:56:42 GMT ROWLAND ATKINSON proferred the

> On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:56:42 GMT ROWLAND ATKINSON proferred the > following assessment of FSOL: Dead Cities: > > Its very good. Hard to decide whether the book is worth the extra > > even if it is amazing to view.

On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, A.R. Lockett wrote:

quoted 6 lines Sorry, Rowland, but . . .

> Sorry, Rowland, but . . . > Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy. > 12.99 for the normal ed. as opposed to 16.99 for the special ed. means one > is forking out 4 quid for the "privilege" of owning 196 diminutive pages of > what is essentially glossy visual vacuousness. But then again of course it > is the "exclusivity" that draws us in rather than the "extras".

I dunno 'bout that... I think a marketing ploy would be what they did with FSOL ISDN. They put better tracks ("Kai" & "Amoeba") on the re-issue, the re-issue had *more* text and pretty pictures, and it was cheeper...! Now doing that after qualifying the import ISDN as "limited" was a ploy. I think record company nastyness had something to do with that, though, they wanted ISDN to be limited to 100,000 copies and they 'weren't allowed' (see their web page for that stuff)... Dead Cities is less of a ploy because the tracks are the same on both editions, which doesn't require buying *both* to get *all* the tracks. (However, there is one track on the Wipeout playstation disc that's not on anything else to my knowledge, that one's called "Landmass.") Furthermore, you get a 194-page book with lots of computer graphics and stuff. Oh yeah, and once again it's limited to 10,000 copies. So it's not much of a ploy 'cause you're getting plenty of stuff for your money... not to mention the music (which i can't really discuss 'cause i only have "My Kingdom" so far 'cause mostly all the mail-order record stores sent out Dead Cities late 'cause they came late from the distributors.)

quoted 15 lines I actually love the hardness of the few tracks. While Lifeforms pretty

> > I actually love the hardness of the few tracks. While Lifeforms pretty > > much wanked itself over two full length discs > Are you saying it was toss? ;) > > this is much more certain of where it is going and there is a genuine > > development to the tracks, some of them surprisingly emotive. > I beg to differ. The experience of listening to Dead Cities was for me akin to > that of having a shower in a plastic mac (not a customary practice for me, > by the way). > There was the perceptible sensation of something resembling > warmth/feeling and certain pleasurable elements "out there" but it just > didn't penetrate through to the soul; like registering "intellectually" that > something satisfying was present in the immediate environment but at the > same time being conscious of an obstructive layer forbidding full access to > satisfaction. > (*I recommend Dannimac -- heheh)

Heh... interesting thoughts... but what's a plastic mac...? 8> no@h (who'll buy FSOL from the stores from now on 'cause it's faster and cheeper) . . . . . . ...

Sir Lockett spake thusly:

quoted 9 lines Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy.

>Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy. >12.99 for the normal ed. as opposed to 16.99 for the special ed. means one >is forking out 4 quid for the "privilege" of owning 196 diminutive pages of >what is essentially glossy visual vacuousness. But then again of course it >is the "exclusivity" that draws us in rather than the "extras". > >There! That's set the feline quadruped among the bone-nosed rats with >wings. >

That you did! I'll add my own vegetarian leopard to the ensuing chaos: The aesthetic of the book is identical to that of the music. One is the other-sensory analog(ue) of the other. Visual and aural, but the trippy-collage/morph style so distinctive of FSOL is nearly identical in both media. So - if one appreciates the music, then one would probably appreciate the book. Especially if one is synaesthetic. Zenon M. Feszczak Synaesthete

I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get pissed about some scrambled up Dead Can Dance section, I think about track 4 (We Have Explosive). It is noisy, heavy and wonderful. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Stop thinking, and end your problems" -- Tao Te Ching Home Page, featuring Reagan on Black Velvet, the EMP Compilation CD, samples of my music, etc http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 3 lines I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get pissed

> I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get pissed > about some scrambled up Dead Can Dance section, I think about > track 4 (We Have Explosive). It is noisy, heavy and wonderful.

Too true! The rest of the disc hasn't been incredibly thrilling yet, but We Have Explosive is great. Wasn't this released as a single on vinyl before, or was it CD as well? I'd like to hear other mixes. -s [OnNow: Everything but the Girl vs. Drum 'n' Bass] ---- ,+'^'+, sage@3Sheep.COM . finger for public key. sasha eysymontt * 93 A3 9C 49 EB E9 0D 0E B5 F6 C3 57 58 D3 12 CE `+,.,+' Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? --Juvenal

quoted 3 lines I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get pissed

> > I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get pissed > > about some scrambled up Dead Can Dance section, I think about > > track 4 (We Have Explosive). It is noisy, heavy and wonderful.

quoted 3 lines Too true! The rest of the disc hasn't been incredibly thrilling yet, but

> Too true! The rest of the disc hasn't been incredibly thrilling yet, but > We Have Explosive is great. Wasn't this released as a single on vinyl > before, or was it CD as well? I'd like to hear other mixes.

'Tis on the Wipeout XL seedy which came out a while ago.. . . . . . . ...

quoted 1 line 'Tis on the Wipeout XL seedy which came out a while ago..

> > 'Tis on the Wipeout XL seedy which came out a while ago..

On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Mark Kolmar wrote:

quoted 2 lines What's the story on this Wipeout XL disc? (Other than it sounds like the

> What's the story on this Wipeout XL disc? (Other than it sounds like the > s/t to a video game.) US release? Tracklist? A web search reveals nothing.

From what i understand, this disc is an audio-only disc that has the music from the game on Sony's Playstation (and perhaps other systems but i only saw the PS's). It's got a Photek song, stuff from Underworld (of course), and three FSOL tracks. Two of these FSOL's are "We Have Explosive" as someone posted the track listing, but notice that "Landmass" is missing. They always set it up so you have to buy *all* the discs to get *all* the tracks. The only way to get "Landmass," as far as i know, is to buy the Playstation game, or settle without it. EAR/Rational mailorder has it... no@h . . . . . . ...

quoted 2 lines the discs to get *all* the tracks. The only way to get "Landmass," as

> the discs to get *all* the tracks. The only way to get "Landmass," as > far as i know, is to buy the Playstation game, or settle without it.

I've got the game, and I'd have to say that Landmass is my favorite track in the game. It's really not much more than the good parts of Lifeforms (the album as a whole) mixed together to form a new song. Some 303 noodling about, that FSOL-ish "bleep" sound every once in a while, and general texturing. Blends very well into the background as you take corners at speeds that would crush most people from the G-forces. Quite lovely. :-) -- guyjr@cc.gatech.edu | I.D.M.- That stage in sleeping when your feet are a.k.a., Guy Elden Jr. | moving faster than your eyes.

Pleasantly surprised to hear FSOL's more serene and reflective side, as evinced in the inductive choral and piano sections. This record has more personalities than Sybil. You're never alone with a schizophrenic. Zenon M. Feszczak Zenon M. Feszczak Zenon M. Feszczak with assistance from Zenon M. Feszczak and funded by a grant from Zenon M. Feszczak produced by Zenon M. Feszczak in honor of Mott the Hoople?

Zenon wrote on FSOL

quoted 3 lines Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy.

>Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy. >12.99 for the normal ed. as opposed to 16.99 for the special ed. means one >is forking out 4 quid for the "privilege" of owning 196 diminutive pages

of

quoted 2 lines what is essentially glossy visual vacuousness. But then again of course it

>what is essentially glossy visual vacuousness. But then again of course it >is the "exclusivity" that draws us in rather than the "extras".

yeah - limited editon of 150,000 I hear:) , remember the ISDN fiasco , that was meant to be avaliable only once then deleted forever - but they reissued it with extra tracks!! , Fsol should donate the extra 4 quid to replenishing all the forests they cut down to print this booklet......good roach material though:) sm@ 4thworld uk *cutting edge mail order* http;//ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/4thworld

quoted 3 lines Zenon wrote on FSOL

> Zenon wrote on FSOL > >Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy. > >12.99 for the normal ed. as opposed to 16.99 for the special ed. means one

quoted 3 lines yeah - limited editon of 150,000 I hear:) , remember the ISDN fiasco ,

> yeah - limited editon of 150,000 I hear:) , remember the ISDN fiasco , > that was meant to be avaliable only once then deleted forever - but > they reissued it with extra tracks!! , Fsol should donatE [...[

Well, FSOL originally wanted it to be "limited" to 100,000 because that was the the number of editions of the Beatle's "White Album," which, if you look at the re-issue of IDSN, is also lookin' pretty white. Had somethin' to do with parody and that whole "death of rock 'n rock" thang FSOL was all blabbin' about if you're the type to meticulously go through liner notes. The ISDN liner notes hinted at this, but lot's of people don't bother to read 'em... no@h . . . . . . ...

I figured that the ISDN album was back and white because they'd spent so much on the cover of Lifeforms (150,000 pounds, according to the www.pop.com interview).... John On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Deckard wrote:

quoted 24 lines Zenon wrote on FSOL

> > > > Zenon wrote on FSOL > > >Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy. > > >12.99 for the normal ed. as opposed to 16.99 for the special ed. means one > > > yeah - limited editon of 150,000 I hear:) , remember the ISDN fiasco , > > that was meant to be avaliable only once then deleted forever - but > > they reissued it with extra tracks!! , Fsol should donatE [...[ > > Well, FSOL originally wanted it to be "limited" to 100,000 > because that was the the number of editions of the Beatle's "White > Album," which, if you look at the re-issue of IDSN, is also lookin' > pretty white. Had somethin' to do with parody and that whole "death of > rock 'n rock" thang FSOL was all blabbin' about if you're the type to > meticulously go through liner notes. The ISDN liner notes hinted at > this, but lot's of people don't bother to read 'em... > > no@h > . . . . . . ... > > > >

What's up with that weird Eurasian Lolita-girl who enigmatically scampers through various FSOL vids and record art? Is she the embodiment of their Feminine Earthchild New-Age Mystical Sensitive Side? Or is this some sort of perversion? What about child labor laws? Is it labor if it's fun? Is it work if it's completely unproductive? Is art work? Does art work? Does Art work? Is it art if it hurts? Is it French if it involves females before the (U.S.) age of consent? Is it pornography? Do we know it when we see it? What if we don't know it? What if we know it, but don't tell anyone? Well? Impatiently, Zenon M. Feszczak Sir Realist (supposedly writing on Gogol', and being drawn into these profound discussions instead; but I won't be able to sleep without answers).

quoted 1 line Zenon wrote on FSOL

>> Zenon wrote on FSOL

Actually, I didn't say that. And even if I did, I didn't mean it.

quoted 9 lines Well, FSOL originally wanted it to be "limited" to 100,000

> Well, FSOL originally wanted it to be "limited" to 100,000 >because that was the the number of editions of the Beatle's "White >Album," which, if you look at the re-issue of IDSN, is also lookin' >pretty white. Had somethin' to do with parody and that whole "death of >rock 'n rock" thang FSOL was all blabbin' about if you're the type to >meticulously go through liner notes. The ISDN liner notes hinted at >this, but lot's of people don't bother to read 'em... > >

I can't read them, as they give me nightmares. That is, more nightmares than usual. By the way, what exactly is one supposed to line with liner notes? My apartment building does not allow pets. Zenon M. Feszczak Gnostic

quoted 7 lines Zenon wrote on FSOL

>Zenon wrote on FSOL >>Wasn't hard for this purchaser. I decided it is a cynical marketing ploy. >>12.99 for the normal ed. as opposed to 16.99 for the special ed. means one >>is forking out 4 quid for the "privilege" of owning 196 diminutive pages >of >>what is essentially glossy visual vacuousness. But then again of course it >>is the "exclusivity" that draws us in rather than the "extras".

Hey, what's up wid dat (DAT)! I didn't say nuttin' o' da sot. That there be alanbeyond scattin', jammin' and dissin' da Sound's vids. I'm wid da graphix an' all dat. Da riddimz bump an' da pix jump. Damn. MC 3

quoted 8 lines On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Kent Williams wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Kent Williams wrote: > > > I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get pissed > > about some scrambled up Dead Can Dance section, I think about > > track 4 (We Have Explosive). It is noisy, heavy and wonderful. > > Too true! The rest of the disc hasn't been incredibly thrilling yet, but > We Have Explosive is great.

I'm exactly the opposite. I think "We have Explosive" is utter garbage. But the rest of the disc is pretty interesting. Especially "Dead Cities" and "Her face forms in the summertime". +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Enquiring minds want to know. Brian J Tang NYC Like Mine +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://silly.com/~tang

I ventured the following analogy:

quoted 9 lines The experience of listening to Dead Cities was for me akin to

> > > The experience of listening to Dead Cities was for me akin to > > > that of having a shower in a plastic mac (not a customary practice for > > > me, by the way). There was the perceptible sensation of something > > > resembling warmth/feeling and certain pleasurable elements "out > > > there" but it just didn't penetrate through to the soul; like registering > > > "intellectually" that something satisfying was present in the > > > immediate environment but at the same time being conscious of an > > > obstructive layer forbidding full access to satisfaction. > > > (*I recommend Dannimac -- heheh)

to which On Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:16:46 -0600 (CST) Deckard [no@h] wrote:

quoted 1 line Heh... interesting thoughts... but what's a plastic mac...?

> Heh... interesting thoughts... but what's a plastic mac...?

OK. Think raincoat ["macintosh" in Br. Eng., hence "mac"]. Then think plastic. Typically carried around rolled up by trainspotting types with overprotective mums in "sensible" shoes with thermos flasks of hot sweet tea. Not the mums, the trainspotting types, that is. Occasionally unrolled and donned in downpours. The mac, that is. If that doesn't satisfactorily evoke the object in question, think of a garment resembling a large loose-fitting condom [sans teat and avec sleeves]. alan/beyondwearingaplasticmacandanupholderoftotallynakedshowering [Dannimac is the market leader in plastic macs, incidentally]

quoted 3 lines I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get pissed

> I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get pissed > about some scrambled up Dead Can Dance section, I think about > track 4 (We Have Explosive). It is noisy, heavy and wonderful.

I think this track stands out from the rest on the album in the same way as 'Tied Up' by LFO stood out from the rest of Advance. Does anyone else have the feeling that these tracks are... similar? / Mattias -- Mattias Svanstrom | Email: mattias@isy.liu.se Division of Data Transmission | Phone: (+46) 13 28 1350 Department of Electrical Engineering | Fax: (+46) 13 28 1339 Linkoping University, Sweden |

someone wrote:

quoted 3 lines I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get

>> I am beginning to warm up to Dead Cities. Every time I get >>pissed about some scrambled up Dead Can Dance section, I think >>about track 4 (We Have Explosive). It is noisy, heavy and wonderful.

to which another replied:

quoted 2 lines I think this track stands out from the rest on the album in the same

>I think this track stands out from the rest on the album in the same >way as 'Tied Up' by LFO stood out from the rest of Advance.

i'd like to add with a nod: ...and P.E.T.R.O.L. in Orbital's In-Sides took me by surprise the same way... Hmmm, We Have Explosive and PETROL are both on the Wipeout XL CD... connections??? st <Zero length text item>

Hi,

quoted 6 lines Not to mention the acne-scarred Taiwanese(?) guy. They appear together in

>Not to mention the acne-scarred Taiwanese(?) guy. They appear together in >the "Amoeba" vid and in the "praying" pic on the Dead Cities inlay. Does >the DC book explain these two characters any more? > >The running suspicion at my house is that the guy is called Vit. The girl >is given modeling credit on Lifeforms, but that seems to be all.

According to the FSOL web page it's Vit, their local Thai restauranteur, and obvious friend of the duo. His first appearance is on the cover of the "Far-Out..." ep. Nice story about him badgering the boy's for a copy of the cover as a poster to put up in his restauarant, until he actually saw it. :) Regards, John

quoted 3 lines According to the FSOL web page it's Vit, their local Thai restauranteur,

>According to the FSOL web page it's Vit, their local Thai restauranteur, >and obvious >friend of the duo.

Some friends! They keep making songs and videos about drowning the poor sod. 3

Hello everybody. I just got back from a school trip to Denver today, and was greeted with my limited edition copy of Future Sound of London's "Dead Cities", and let me tell you, it is awesome. If you alreaddy have the album but you happen to come across the limited edition copy, buy it. Onl;y 10,000 were made, and it comes with a 196 page book with a whole bunch of artwork and stories. Chris

On the LA tip from AssTrelVerks: The Future Sound of London will be doing a 2 hour ISDN broadcast on Groove Radio on January 22nd at Midnight PST (Wednesday night, Thursday morning). The show will be free of commercial interruptions and simulcast on the station's internet site. http://www.grooveradio.com Hey, it's free. _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/fresh.htm

i just turned down a remix from them for £5,000 cos it was really boring. jamie and his magic torch .

quoted 4 lines i just turned down a remix from them for £5,000

>i just turned down a remix from them for £5,000 >cos it was really boring. > >jamie and his magic torch

ya i know what you mean....i turned down a million quid for a remix...theyre shite sucks... its boring like....im the best... tjs:aka the electronic genius that never was.

Hi I've got a spare copy of Future Sound Of London's 2x12" promo that preceded the ISDN album. Tracks are "Slider", "Snake hips", "You're creeping me out", "Herd killing" (not the same song as the "Herd killing" on Dead Cities) and "Live in New York". I believe the last two tracks haven't been released anywhere else. I have no idea what it's worth, but offers are welcome. Maarten ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ongoing purge of my record collection at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~slavlab (and try some of my own noises while you're there) -------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Friday, 04-Apr-97, a lifeform wrote [about Re: (idm) Dead Cities]:

quoted 4 lines I think Dead Cities is still keeping pace with their ever forward style,

>I think Dead Cities is still keeping pace with their ever forward style, >by mixing in more "hardcore" sounds with their nicer, more subtle texturing >and ambience. It's a great blend, because I find it very hard to be bored >while listening to the album.

One thing I found about Dead Cities is that is doesn't create the massive spaces that Lifeforms did. With Lifeforms it took you to different worlds. I guess that's because of the absence of environmental sounds and such, also the way the tracks are mixed together in Dead Cities.. -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .

To somebody who wanted to know about FSOL's earlier stuff (i can't remember who) and a good tip in general: Find a music shop, get your intended purchase, and ask to listen to it. i brought a lot of good stuff this way, and avoided a Lot of garbage. most places should be happy to do it... Enjoy!

Not a week ago, I asked for something on a similar vein as Dead Cities and Lifeforms... I wound up buying "Papua New Guinea" single cd. (Cascade and Lifeforms eps were also recommended) I regret to say, this wasn't my cup of tea. (My own fault) It is totally dance oriented; none of the Lifeforms ambience was really "there." Since this(Papua New Guinea) is an early FSOL work from Accelerator, I should have known better. But, I couldn't listen before I bought.(Borders) From what I have read from you cool list members, ISDN or Amorphus Androgenous might be the next best bet. I hope to find a closer sound to the "Dead Cities" cd. As I understand it, ISDN=Dead Cities(esque) and Amorphus Androgenous=Lifeforms(esque)? FSOL are incredible. If anyone has any more suggestions, please don't hesitate! ------Finally, What Is the Boards of Canada? A group of Canadian djs? & Thx

I know what you're talking about, the same thing happened to me. If you like Lifeforms you should definitely buy the Lifeforms EP. It's the same sound, but better (at least, that's my opinion). The Cascade EP is also good, but not as good as the LifeformsEP. Amorphous Androgynous' "Tales of Ephidrena" has the Lifeforms-sound sometimes, but it is mostly 4x4beats with now and then an ambient-sound. Much better though than Accelerator. ISDN is dance-oriented, but in a different way as Amorphous or Accelerator. It's more hiphop-alike than 4x4beats. If you do not have it already and you ARE a FSOL fan then I should say: BUY IT RIGHT NOW!! because I think it's fantastic, certainly as good as Dead Cities or maybe even Lifeforms (which is, in my opinion, the best album ever made). the Dead Cities sound can be found on the My Kingdom EP, but I do not think it is as good as Dead Cities. The We Have Explosive EPs (the normal one and the remixed one) are more dance oriented, but that can not surprise you. and the FSOL are indeed INCREDIBLE. I've been searching for some FSOL-alike stuff, but could not find it. What do you recommend? Or anyone else? And does anyone know if their Jumpin' & Pumpin' EPs are available somewhere? Thanx. Huz. : ------------------------------ : : Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:00:44 +0000 : From: curtis@race.com : Subject: (idm) FSOL : : Not a week ago, I asked for something on a similar vein as Dead Cities : and Lifeforms... : : I wound up buying "Papua New Guinea" single cd. : (Cascade and Lifeforms eps were also recommended) : : I regret to say, this wasn't my cup of tea. (My own fault) : It is totally dance oriented; none of the Lifeforms ambience was really : "there." : : Since this(Papua New Guinea) is an early FSOL work from Accelerator, I : should have known better. But, I couldn't listen before I : bought.(Borders) : : >From what I have read from you cool list members, ISDN or Amorphus : Androgenous might be the next best bet. I hope to find a closer sound to : the "Dead Cities" cd. As I understand it, ISDN=Dead Cities(esque) and : Amorphus Androgenous=Lifeforms(esque)? : : FSOL are incredible. : : If anyone has any more suggestions, please don't hesitate! : : - ------Finally, : What Is the Boards of Canada? A group of Canadian djs? : : & Thx : :

While folk are talking about FSOL does anyone know if they ever released Environments? One of their CDs (Lifeforms?) has about five of their record covers pictured on the inlay, Environments is basically a black cover with Environments written on it. I thought they scrapped the project before it was released but one of my mates said he saw it in a shop once. Everyone knows he spouts shite though. Bye, Steve H - at work and bored (and skint too)

Quoting Higton, Steve IT Brk." (HIGTONS@plcbrk.siemens.co.uk): | | While folk are talking about FSOL does anyone know if they ever released | Environments? No, what I've heard several (different) places is that they used the work intended for Environments on another album. What's interesting though, is that about a year ago on an MTV (Europe) special Party Zone show (sometime around New Year's Eve) they showed almost all the FSOL videos, and occasionally they showed some *very* short (5-15 seconds) videos with "Environments" as the album title. I think this must have been a joke of either MTV employees and/or FSOL, since the video visuals were gathered from other FSOL videos and the music was also excerps from some of the transitions between other FSOL songs. Anyone else who saw this who can fill in some details ? -- Christian Stigen Larsen -- http://www.sublevel3.org chrisl@stud.ntnu.no http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~chrisl/

did anyone ever figure out the tracklisting to _dead cities_? great album, but the tracklist has makes no sense. also, is there any word on a new FSOL release? * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# but if there's treasures inside/then i can't be relied/not to show the world what can be done/i'll show you how to be free icq: 5562209

Excerpts from mail: 5-Feb-99 (idm) FSOL by laerm@voicenet.com

quoted 1 line also, is there any word on a new FSOL release?

> also, is there any word on a new FSOL release?

Well, there's always the Neotropic album. Aren't they buddies? Aaron

quoted 3 lines did anyone ever figure out the tracklisting to _dead cities_? great album,

> did anyone ever figure out the tracklisting to _dead cities_? great album, > but the tracklist has makes no sense. >

Someone (I forget who) got a demo of this when it first came out, and he posted the tracklisting to this list. If memory serves, track 9 is both "Quagmire" and "In a State of Permanent Abyss," and track 12 is "Vit Drowning" and "Through Your Gills I Breathe." That little secret track at the end is just a "Dead Cities" reprise, or something to that effect. Hope that helps, Andy Wellspringofuselessinformation

In a message dated 02/05/99 2:34:03 PM, asm2+@andrew.cmu.edu wrote:

quoted 1 line also, is there any word on a new FSOL release?

>> also, is there any word on a new FSOL release?

Brian and Garry are in the process of reinventing themselves and are expected to release some new material in 1999. Word has it that the new material is very "psychedelic."

quoted 1 line Well, there's always the Neotropic album. Aren't they buddies?

>Well, there's always the Neotropic album. Aren't they buddies?

Riz of Neotropic dated Brian from FSOL for several years. They are no longer together.

Oscillate@aol.com wrote:

quoted 2 lines Brian and Garry are in the process of reinventing themselves and are expected

> Brian and Garry are in the process of reinventing themselves and are expected > to release some new material in 1999.

This crap always cracks me up. FSOL are always "in the process of reinventing themselves". Don't get me wrong. I think they've put out some quality tracks, but it's always funny to hear how they manage to hype themselves above the rest. They've done the same stuff from the start. It's all techno and it's all in standard timing signatures. They're so full of shit when they get pompous and elitist. They should just shut up and embrace the fans that made them what they are instead of trying to be something they're not.

quoted 2 lines Word has it that the new material is

> Word has it that the new material is > very "psychedelic."

Hell, everything they've ever done is psychedelic. I wouldn't expect anything less. Sorry for being cynical. Okay, maybe I'm not! -rbc3

... ... Does anyone have information on the new FSOL album? As far as i know, Gary Lucas co-wrote and played on this release. Pietro. _______________________________ Pietro Da Sacco, mbm@netcore.ca Grooves Magazine ... http://www.rain.org/~audio/grooves/ The Circular Cosmic Spot ... http://www.sdriver.com/spot

Nice to see some new "faces" on IDM. I figure it's been about a year since I last posted. Anyways, anybody know what those two blokes (FSOL) are up to these days? Been a long time since they last graced our ears with goodness. Oh, and NIN album review: "Left" disc, so so... he's had 5 years to sample new sounds, and all I hear are the same samples from Downward Spiral. "Right" disc, much much better... has more of a subtle flair to it. The beats are more varied, and so are the sounds. -- jr

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Guy Elden, Jr. wrote:

quoted 6 lines Nice to see some new "faces" on IDM. I figure it's been about a year since

> Nice to see some new "faces" on IDM. I figure it's been about a year since I > last posted. > > Anyways, anybody know what those two blokes (FSOL) are up to these days? Been > a long time since they last graced our ears with goodness. >

Check out http://ds.dial.pipex.com/nick.woodfine/fsolnews.shtml. A new single will be out later this year and a new album will be out early next year (if the rumours are true). -- Jan Erik Breimo email: janeb@stud.ntnu.no

quoted 4 lines Hi Paul, I believe Audio Blueprint 011 is Stakka and

> Hi Paul, I believe Audio Blueprint 011 is Stakka and > K.Tee &#8216;Auto Ignition and &#8216;Terratorial&#8217;. In true Audio > Blueprint style these 2 tracks explore the deeper > side. This is single is expected out in late March.

Yup - it'd been a while since they'd had anything out and when I heard it, it just blew me away!

quoted 2 lines Next on Audio Blueprint will be a 12" from label

> Next on Audio Blueprint will be a 12" from label > owners Skynet and Stakka with 2 space age journey&#8217;s.

Excellent

quoted 7 lines The first track is a rolling, deep and bubbly mission

> The first track is a rolling, deep and bubbly mission > entitled &#8216;Logistics&#8217; and on the flip is a freaky funk > track entitled &#8216;RF-Freq&#8217; with cool samples of hiss and > crackling vocal distortion from long wave radio > signals over a space age funk groove, ending in an > almost flash gordon style analog synth pad. Due in the > shops Late May 2000.

I'll keep my eyes open

quoted 3 lines of course the Blazin remixes including the Side

> of course the Blazin remixes including the Side > Effects remix, which incidentally may be the only time > that it will be available on release.

Well I know Konflict did a remix (they're from Glasgow as I am...) and also Teebee did a remix so I was expecting a remix package?

quoted 2 lines The next installment on Ultra-Violet is a 12" from

> The next installment on Ultra-Violet is a 12" from > Chromatix aka Akira on Renegade Recordings and aka

Cool - I got the Solid State album due on Renegade in May/June and have to say its some funky stuff! BTW I record as part of Semantix and we've got a tune coming on TOV late Summer - email me private William and I'll point ya in the direction of a real audio clip if you wanna hear it, would be interesting to hear what ya think (personal addy is paulreset@yahoo.com) Cheers, glad to see some dnb headz on the list _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

This past weekend I went to Amoeba records in Berkley and in San Francisco (California USA) I spent a total of $325.55 - a bit overboard but very much worth it. Anyone coming out this way simply MUST check these places out. I have no idea how they get so much great stuff but we are very fortunate to have them. Their trade-in values are on the lower end of the scale but then again their used bins are priced accordingly. As a side note I should mentioned that I picked up about 4 CD's that I already have CDR's of because the music was so great I just HAD to have the originals. So there you have it - the CDR sold the CD! Picked up on Vinyl: New Electronica Compilation Volume 1 - I have this on CD but had to have it on vinyl. Great Stuff! RAC - Tangents (single) Love all of RAC's stuff - glad to find this in the used bin for $3.95 Warp 10+2 - Classics. $26 and worth every penny if you collect classic Warp Records vinyl. And to add to the vinyl versus CD debate (since I collect both) I must say that the packaging and design of the Vinyl version are so much more appealing than the cd version. 4 Purple sleeves, Gatefold Jacket, full color by the Designers Republic. Beautiful. Definitely a keeper. Spicelab - Lost in Spice - Never in my wildest dreams could I ever have imagined finding this on vinyl. I would have paid $50 just for the single "Spicelab" ! Found it in the used bin for $13.95 - Near Mint condition. I am so very very lucky. The best in what I call '94 Trance. Spicelab are the greatest Hooray! Coldcut - Autmn Leaves (single) Has the gorgeous Irresistable Force Mix on it. This is another Coldcut classic. Picked up on CD: Ben Neill Goldbug - I think it's great. Kinda like IDM meets DNB - bleeps and blips with kicks and steps. Highly recommended for those interested in an alternative DnB sound that doesn't go overboard. Richard H. Kirk - The Number of Magic - sounds like his Electronic Eye album "Closed Circuit". Lotta samples, highly developed sound. Spring Heel Jack - Busy Curious Thirsty - pretty good DnB - definitely different than most stuff out there and different than their 68 Million Shades album (which I picked up also since I only had it on CDR) David Holmes - This Films Crap Let's Slash the Seats - Definitely a classic - if you don't own it go buy it. I have a copy already but I found a copy with a 'Bonus' disc with 8 remixes. I didn't know this one existed so I picked it up. I'll just trade in the other one I have minus the bonus disc. Jammin' Unit - Def Dub and Blind - I've had my eye on this for a while and since I finally found it used I picked it up - good stuff. Dubby electronica. This is Elektronica - 3 disc compilation of elektronica (I guess). No one I've ever heard of but it was released on Hypnotic in 1999 so it must be recent and decent. On first listen it didn't sound bad at all Sandoz - Digital Lifeforms - I was pretty sure Sandoz was R Kirk so I picked it up used. First track here - Armed Response sounds decent if not a bit outdated. Heard a couple more tracks and I would have to categorize it as Housey Elektronika. Sounds like of the house tracks from his album Electronic Eye - The Idea of Justice Global Communication - 76:14 - I had this on CDR but it sounds so good I had to pick up an Original Version. Thanks to the Ambient List for the original recommendation Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children - Also had this on CDR but I jut HAD to have an original. This is definitely one of my most frequently played albums. Favorite parts? Vocals saying "Orange" gives me goose bumps. Also when the vocals reading random numbers saying something like "twenty11". Oh. So great. yummy. Montage - Mixology. I picked this up because the cover art is very neat and professional. Turns out to be DnB from Japan. Real good stuff too. I picked it up for $5.95 and what a bargain. Check it out if you find it in your local shop. Michael Dog - Summer Night Session - Gotta buy anything from Planet Dog and this being fairly recent I picked it up as well. Wasn't sure what to expect - not a mix cd - more of a compilation. Good stuff though. Mike & Rich - Expert Knob Twiddlers - Missed the opportunity to pick this up when it came out but I found it so Im happy now. Interesting music. Accesible. The only track that kinda bugged me was the one where they use a sample of a burp. It's kinda revolting and it's used quite a bit through the song. All in all though a worthy purchase. Seefeel - Polyfusia - Since hearing a couple tracks from various compilations I've been trying to pick up any of their older stuff. I have a single of theirs on vinyl but the name eludes me and it sounds nothing like what I hoped. The cover is red though - possibly it's Succor? Anyhow, this album is more like it. Two AFX mixes of the track Time to Find me as well. Classic IDM. Sven Vath - Fusion - Haven't played it yet but I was told one of the tracks was slammin' and since it's been a while since anything he put out anything new I thought I'd give it a shot. Bill Laswell - Ambient Compendium - Double Disc - Disc 1 entitled "Ambient" disc 2 entitled "Ambient Bass and Drums". Sounds interesting... Haven't listened to it yet but it has collaborations with Pete Namlook, Jonah Sharp, Tetsuu Inoue, Terre Thaemlitz and Automaton. Unfortunately (DOH!) I opened it up to find that someone had mistakenly swapped Disc 1 with David Bowie - Aladdin Sane. If any of you out there would be willing to make a copy or trade for Disc1 please let me know! Jammin' Unit - Are you prepared - It reminds me of some of the house I used to hear in San Francisco back in 1995. Disco, funky, happy, light, dubby. Like Hardkiss. Good stuff for a outdoor barbeque or a party in the park. Emmanuel Top - Asteroid. Im afraid now that I didn't pick this up on vinyl back when it came out. Great acid house. Emmanuel Top at his finest. Minimal, acidic, trippy and on NovaMute. Definitely sounds just like Plastikman. DJ Kicks - Kemistry & Storm. Picked this up in memory of Kemistry and for the track "Closing In" by Bill Riley. When I first heard this track a year or so ago I loved it so much and I finally tracked down a copy on vinyl - too bad it was a remixed version. I haven't given this mix a listen yet but most of the DJ Kicks series is pretty reliable so I picked it up. Goldie - Incredible Sound of Drum n bass - Double disc selling at Virgin records for $23. Completely overpriced for a mix cd of really old jungle. Found it for $13.95 in the used bin and belive it or not Ive never heard Goldie mix so I said what the hell. Im not sure what the point of mixing a bunch of random Jungle tracks from 97-99 is though.... especially if it's gonna end up costing so much and Ive heard ALL the tracks on so many different mix cd's over the years. Transformer 2 - Transformations. For $4 I figured I'd give it a chance. Harder housey very misleading title. Euro House. Not *too* cheezy but im not really digging it. KLF - Chill Out. I've heard so much about this album and Im so glad they re-released it. There isn't much of this type of ambient out there. Sounds like older Orb stuff. Highly recommended. Sounds NOTHING like the White Album Quadraphonia - Cozmic Jam - Old-School Techno at $1.95 I just *had* to pick it up.... Best of Techno Volume 1 - Same as above Best of Techno Volume 2 - Same as above FSOL - Dead Cities - Have it on vinyl must have it on CD for the collection. Great stuff. Powerful dark ambient. FSOL outdo themselves again.... Excursions in Ambience - A collection of Ambient House Music. Picked this up because it was used and I have volume 2-4 of the series and those are great. The title pretty much sums it up - Ambient house music. Chilled out sounds from the likes of HIA, FSOL, 777 and Banco de Gaia Sun Electric - Present. I have mixed feelings on this. It sounds nothing like their other albums and the track EYA sounds terrible. What a lame use of vox. Im much happier with Via Nostra and the classic Kitchen. Track 4 - Parallax is good though. Poundin' Vidna Obmana - The Trilogy '90-'92. Fell asleep to disc 1 of 3 (Passage in Beauty) last night and enjoyed it. Reminds me of Silence I minus the vocals. Vidna Obmana was another recommendation from the Ambient List If you've made it this far then thanks for reading and sorry if you felt this was a waste of bandwidth. The reason Im subbed to this list is partly so I can learn more about artists I have never heard of. This helps me when I got out into the used bins and search for some gold! 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quoted 2 lines FSOL - Dead Cities - Have it on vinyl must have it on CD for the collection.

> FSOL - Dead Cities - Have it on vinyl must have it on CD for the collection. > Great stuff. Powerful dark ambient. FSOL outdo themselves again....

that's funny.. i rediscovered this CD from the depths of my collection a couple of weeks ago and picked it up on vinyl this past weekend. :] does anyone know what's up w/ FSOL these days? it seems their Web site hasn't been updated since around the time 'Dead Cities' was released. the same goes for their page on the Astralwerks site, and i can't seem to find any fresh fan pages. has anyone got any info on what they've been up to since the completion of that album? - jo5_h --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org