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1996-10-22 19:20charles uzzell-edwardsI was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a few seconds) the

From:: charles uzzell-edwards <faxlabel@sirius.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:20:49 -0800
Subject:: (idm) can a CD can hold 80 minutes of music?

I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a few seconds) the max for a cd, thats why Octopus 2 (plug) is that long : could I really have put an extra 8 minutes on a cd ?

quoted 5 lines I'm obviously a complete and utter failure as a music critic, because I

>I'm obviously a complete and utter failure as a music critic, because I >am completely missing the point here. So a CD can hold 80 minutes of> >music. This means that unless your full-length CD clocks in at, say, 50> >minutes or higher, that it must be an artistic travesty, just because >the medium can hold more?

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1996-10-22 20:52Zenon M. Feszczak>I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a >few seconds) th

From:: Zenon M. Feszczak <feszczak@sas.upenn.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:52:24 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) can a CD can hold 80 minutes of music?
Reply to:: (idm) can a CD can hold 80 minutes of music?

quoted 2 lines I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a

>I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a >few seconds) the max for a cd...

A little over a minute? Well, that's just enough for my new method of Instant Jungle Song Creation: (you heard it here first) 1. Take any rap cut you like. (Alternate step one: take any rap song you hate. It doesn't really matter). 2. Patch the turntable into K-Tel karaoke gizmos to vacuum vox. 3. Spin 12" at max RPM. This might require motor modification. Aim for at least 100 RPM for a 33.333333333 RPM 12". Well, it's rather dull, but it'll do for a MicroMix. To improve the results - OPTIONAL STEPS: Ingredients: 1 (one) large ripe Apple Macintosh Steinberg Recycle sampling toy. 4. Sample. 5. Erase all bar lines to better ignore standard rules of rhythm and song construction. 6. Cut, copy, paste. 7. Test. 8. Smoke something illicit (alternately, watch a Terry Gilliam film). Blindfold self. 9. Cut, copy, paste. 10. Voila! But really, I do like d&b, even if it's intelligent. As long as there are NO DIVAS and NO DIDGERIDOOS. Ahem. Sounding quite fascistic at the moment. Must be AFTERNOON CAFFEINE CRASH. Boom. About that CD time limit: You can get somewhere circa 80 minutes, though you might have a non-standard-spec CD in the process. The reason for the time limit is as it is: Yes, Beethoven's 9th. Very popular in Japan. Sony (who did not invent the CD). Philips (who probably did invent the CD) Sony again (who has a hell of a lot of money) Money (which is power) Communism (which is a stage between capitalism and capitalism) Philips (who didn't want Sony to pull a Microsoft on them) Sony (Japan) You connect the dots! Art and commerce! Isn't it beautiful! A match made in heaven! Sublime beauty and prostitution all at once! Every man's fantasy! Dangerously dispersing aspersions, Zenon M. Feszczak Ambient Conspiracy Theorist

1996-10-22 19:29Lazlo Nibble> I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a > few seconds)

From:: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com>
To:: Intelligent Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:29:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject:: (idm) can a CD can hold 80 minutes of music?

quoted 3 lines I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a

> I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a > few seconds) the max for a cd, thats why Octopus 2 (plug) is that long : > could I really have put an extra 8 minutes on a cd ?

You can get just a hair over 80 minutes of music on a single CD, but you have to violate the standard to do it. Most pressing plants will charge extra for this because it increases the percentage of rejects -- but it is possible, and none of my players seem to have any problems with discs this long. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

1996-10-22 20:08Daniel Kapusta>I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a >few seconds) th

From:: Daniel Kapusta <dan@sfn.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:08:13 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) can a CD can hold 80 minutes of music?

quoted 3 lines I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a

>I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a >few seconds) the max for a cd, thats why Octopus 2 (plug) is that long : >could I really have put an extra 8 minutes on a cd ?

i remeber going over this last year... the industry standard is 74 mins. that's why you see cassettes that are 74 mins claiming "made for cd" (made to break songs in half that is) some CD players though can go further out to the edge. mine will go to about 76 mins. an old friend had a player that wouldn't go past 74 and change. dan..... ps, on the "goodbye" thread, i have to say i fall on the side "if you can't stand the heat..." pps, on the "short record-big price" tip, i just got girl/boy for $9.99 on my lunch break. not a bad impulse-buy-price for an import. thanks to all reviewers...

1996-10-22 20:21Adam J Weitzman>I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a >few seconds) th

From:: Adam J Weitzman <weitzman@individual.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:21:07 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) can a CD can hold 80 minutes of music?

quoted 3 lines I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a

>I was under the impression that 72.5 seconds was roughly (give or take a >few seconds) the max for a cd, thats why Octopus 2 (plug) is that long : >could I really have put an extra 8 minutes on a cd ?

As others have said, 74 minutes is the "legal" Red Book maximum, but you can get just over 80 minutes on a CD by breaking the standards. I own 33 CDs that clock in at 79 minutes or higher, and three of them go over 80. New Order's _(the_rest_of)_New_Order_ is one of them, the other two are 80s-dance compilations from SPG Records in Canada. And as Lazlo pointed out, many pressing plants will charge you more for CDs longer than 74 minutes because their defect rate will be higher (because you are not adhering strictly to the Red Book standard). To use IDM-related CDs as examples, The Orb's _Orbvs_Terrarvm_ comes in at 79:41, Wagon Christ's _Phat_Lab._Nightmare_ at 79:36, Bedouin Ascent's _Science,_Art_&_Ritual_ at 79:32, Scorn's _Ellipsis_ at 79:06, Kinesthesia's _Empathy_Box_ at 79:03 (though most of it is silence at the end, anyone know anything about the extra tracks in there?), and both CDs of _Trance_Europe_Express_2_ (79:38 and 79:00). -- Adam J Weitzman --- Individual, Inc. --- weitzman@individual.com -- -- VISIT US AT: http://www.individual.com -- -- Jeff George, Atlanta Falcons QB, on refusing a trade to Seattle: -- -- "Over the past few years I have made some mistakes, and I just -- -- wanted to make sure I made the right one this time." --

1996-10-24 02:23GDAnd as someone else on the list mentioned a bit back (g3?), DVD will allow for a minimum o

From:: GD <g-d@worldnet.att.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:23:43 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) can a CD can hold 80 minutes of music?

And as someone else on the list mentioned a bit back (g3?), DVD will allow for a minimum of 2+ hrs. of music (96 kHz), or ~5 hrs. at present fidelity specs. Does this mean that people will come to expect even more out of artists? I dunno, I'd rather have my albums short and sweet rather than long with a bit of filler and overlengthy tunes. (Of course if RDJ wants to come out with a 80 min. LP of *strong* material I wouldn't complain either...) Also on the topic - I found the songs on the Plug LP to be a bit *too* long and hence somewhat unfocused; the length of the tunes on the Plug 1&2 12"s seemed to be just perfect according to the number of 'themes' or 'styles' employed. A couple of minutes off of several of the tracks would have actually improved the LP IMO.

1996-10-24 19:12Lazlo Nibble> Apparently a lot of recent CD players can easily handle 80 minute CDs due > to improved

From:: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com>
To:: Intelligent Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:12:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) can a CD can hold 80 minutes of music?

quoted 4 lines Apparently a lot of recent CD players can easily handle 80 minute CDs due

> Apparently a lot of recent CD players can easily handle 80 minute CDs due > to improved tracking on the laser pickup. Older CD players are a bit > sloppier and can't handle the tighter spacings on longer CDs and start to > skip and drop out.

Most CD players should be able to handle 80-minute discs, since the read head doesn't actually go out any farther on an (off-spec) 80-minute disc than it should on an (on-spec) 74- or 76-minute disc -- they get the "extra" space on the disc by reducing the intertrack spacing, and that tweak is at play throughout the entire disc. Often what's happening when a player has trouble getting to the end of an unusually long CD is that the transport rails on the player have some dirt or grime on them that isn't getting pushed aside in the course of normal play because the transport doesn't usually get that far out on the disc. Giving the player a good cleaning can often take care of the problem. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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