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On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, gmv500@earthlink.net was heard saying:

quoted 7 lines I really like this song and would like to explore this

>> I really like this song and would like to explore this >>type of music further but the record stores in South >Florida mostly >>carry Trip Hop (YUCK!) >> ^^^^^^^^ > Uh, I think you are listening to so much trip hop that you > are burning out on it or something? First you say you love > Ninja Tune then you say trip hop is YUCK??? Hmm....

To me Ninja Tune is not Trip Hop. To me trip hop is that formulaic DJ Icey-type shit that goes: 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample

quoted 2 lines please explain this. That's like saying "I own 4 '57 Chevy

> please explain this. That's like saying "I own 4 '57 Chevy > Bel Airs, but hot rods are ugly."

1. I don't think the two are analogous. 2. My explanation is above.

quoted 1 line I like your signature by the way!

> I like your signature by the way!

Gracias. :)

quoted 3 lines btw I can't understand how any latino wouldn't enjoy that

> btw I can't understand how any latino wouldn't enjoy that > UP, BUSTLE and OUT CD. I keep procrastinating to buy it, but > its killer!!!

I am a latino and I love those 2 records. Especially being from Ecuador and hearing the blend of traditional Andes instruments with electronic instruments. WOW! Paz, Pedro Cevallos -- "When they took the 4th amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent. When they took the 2nd amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the 1st amendment, and I can say nothing about it." -- Anonymous -- URL: http://www.fiu.edu/~pceval01 Finger cevallos@cat.net for PGP key.

Pedro Cevallos wrote:

quoted 7 lines To me Ninja Tune is not Trip Hop. To me trip hop is that formulaic DJ

> > To me Ninja Tune is not Trip Hop. To me trip hop is that formulaic DJ > Icey-type shit that goes: > > 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample > 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample > ...

Sorry Pedro, but I got to disagree with you on that one. I wouldn't call what you described above triphop, I'd just call it repetitive shit. I take it your from Miami, so you must know that Icee/Miami Bass style well...It's not triphop, it's too way to fast to be called that. We call it 'funky breaks' out here on the west coast and like it or not, it moves people on the dancefloor. I'll admit it, I've got just about every record Icee's put out. Most people love'em, the same way most people love house music. I'd call the stuff on Ninja Tune, trip-hop, as far as anything is...I'd even say that hands down its some of the best trip-hop there is on the planet. Some call triphop, hiphop with out the rap. Well I say, Crap on a bat, if my momma ain't fat... An old quote I found:

quoted 5 lines "I hate trip-hop! I don't even know what trip-hop means - if it's The Dust

> "I hate trip-hop! I don't even know what trip-hop means - if it's The Dust >Brothers then eat my shit, because they're the worst cunts ever. They just do >samples, really, which I never do. But I like some of the Mo'Wax stuff, some of >that's quite deep." >

-Luke Vibert Well now, we all know Luke's been been doing some samples nowdays too ('smoke a joint' and the Amen Break come to mind). Really, all that I've said is bullshit, the main reason is that I call this stuff trip-hop for lack of a better word. Some people call all electronic music 'house' in the same fashion. I call it all techno or just electronic music...It's just semantics! So, bottom line, if you like 'down-tempo breakbeat on a funked out, smooth & jazzy tip' check out: Artist WagonChrist - 'Throbbing Pouch' (this man can do no wrong by me!) Naked Funk - 'Valium' (another fav around my house) Kitachi - Everything (more on a dub tip) Skylab/Howie B - Everyting (check out butt meat?!?) Nightmares on Wax - Evertying (Smoker's Delight!) Depth Charge - Everthing (especially Nine Deadly Venoms) Palmskin Productions - Everything (especially Remixelr and the beast) Strange Brew - (Wow! Who is this? I want more!) Labels React - 'Dope on Plastic/Wax' series - All, especially DOP 2 Mo Wax - Most everything, ie: RPM, Dj Shadow, U.N.K.L.E, Funk Mob, Attica Blues Skint - lots of good stuff, Bentley Rhythm Ace, Midfield General, Fatboy Slim PussyFoot - lots of good stuff also Pork - more good stuff... and of course, Anything on Ninja Tune! Hope this helps, brock np: The London Funk Allstars Present: Flesh Eating Disco Zombies vs The Bionic Hookers from Mars (and yes, it's as badass as the title!)

On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Brock Suter wrote:

quoted 9 lines To me Ninja Tune is not Trip Hop. To me trip hop is that formulaic DJ

> > To me Ninja Tune is not Trip Hop. To me trip hop is that formulaic DJ > > Icey-type shit that goes: > > > 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample > > 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample > > ... > > I wouldn't call what you described above triphop, I'd just call it > repetitive shit.

Granted that repetitive shit can take on many forms from house to trance to hip-hop, but what people out here in South Florida call Trip Hop sounds just like that (well, maybe a little less creative). They do call it Funky Breaks sometimes too. I just can't even compare it to the Ninja Tune stuff. In those records there is no foreground and no background. It all morphs into one and beats give way to one another. Simply awesome!

quoted 2 lines I take it your from Miami, so you must know that

> I take it your from Miami, so you must know that > Icee/Miami Bass style well...

I am from Miami and I grew up going to parties where The Mighty Miami Bass was played all night (Luke Skywalker and the 2 Live Crew, 95 South, Gucci Crew, Tigra and Bunny, etc, etc, etc...). Maybe that's why I'm so truamtized against it. I wouldn't call Icey Miami Bass at all.

quoted 3 lines It's not triphop, it's too way to fast to

> It's not triphop, it's too way to fast to > be called that. We call it 'funky breaks' out here on the west coast > and like it or not, it moves people on the dancefloor.

People in South Florida use both terms interchangeably. I don't dig it but respect the fact that like you said "it moves people on the dancefloor". Different strokes for different folks.

quoted 3 lines I'll admit it,

> I'll admit it, > I've got just about every record Icee's put out. Most people love'em, > the same way most people love house music.

I love some house, the deeper the better, but to me Icey is not a very good musician. His tracks are simplistic, repetitive, and worse of all formulaic. Then again this is just my humble opinion.

quoted 3 lines I'd call the stuff on Ninja Tune, trip-hop, as far as anything is...I'd

> I'd call the stuff on Ninja Tune, trip-hop, as far as anything is...I'd > even say that hands down its some of the best trip-hop there is on the > planet.

Label it what you will. I love this music and if it's trip hop then I love *this kind* of trip hop.

quoted 6 lines So, bottom line, if you like 'down-tempo breakbeat on a funked out,

> So, bottom line, if you like 'down-tempo breakbeat on a funked out, > smooth & jazzy tip' check out: > > Artist > > WagonChrist - 'Throbbing Pouch' (this man can do no wrong by me!)

I love is remix of 2-Player's "Extreme Possibilities".

quoted 1 line Pork - more good stuff...

> Pork - more good stuff...

I just got their C/D sampler yesterday as a way to check out their stuff. I dig it. A lot!

quoted 3 lines and of course,

> and of course, > > Anything on Ninja Tune!

...but of course my horse! ;) Peace, Pedro Cevallos -- "When they took the 4th amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent. When they took the 2nd amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the 1st amendment, and I can say nothing about it." -- Anonymous -- URL: http://www.fiu.edu/~pceval01 Finger cevallos@cat.net for PGP key.

quoted 3 lines I'd call the stuff on Ninja Tune, trip-hop, as far as anything is...I'd

>I'd call the stuff on Ninja Tune, trip-hop, as far as anything is...I'd >even say that hands down its some of the best trip-hop there is on the >planet.

We at Ninja prefer Flip-Flop Ism, Shism, Poetic Terrorism Jeff

At 11:17 PM 10/20/96, Brock Suter wrote:

quoted 10 lines Pedro Cevallos wrote:

>Pedro Cevallos wrote: >> >> To me Ninja Tune is not Trip Hop. To me trip hop is that formulaic DJ >> Icey-type shit that goes: >> >> 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample >> 1-2-3-4-sample-5-6-7-8-sample-sample >> ... > >Sorry Pedro, but I got to disagree with you on that one.

quoted 14 lines I'd call the stuff on Ninja Tune, trip-hop, as far as anything is...I'd

>I'd call the stuff on Ninja Tune, trip-hop, as far as anything is...I'd >even say that hands down its some of the best trip-hop there is on the >planet. > >So, bottom line, if you like 'down-tempo breakbeat on a funked out, >smooth & jazzy tip' check out: > >Artist > > >Hope this helps, > >brock >

Trip Hop was a term invented by mainstream critics to describe any interesting funky break-beaty techno offshoot that they happen to like. Of course the musicians themselves will resent that label, since it lumps them into some random amorphous group that's defined by rock critics, for Christ's sake. For the sake of compartmentalization, I call it abstract hip-hop, which is what MoWax seems to have started calling *their* stuff. And yes, NinjaTunes puts out the best examples of that stuff, whatever you want to call it. -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is!