IDM Mailing Archive

1996-08-29 03:59strange@pipeline.comOn Wed, Aug 28, 1996 8:16:19 AM at AWerks2@aol.com wrote: >AMP will be making it's debut o

From:: <strange@pipeline.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>, <ambient@hyperreal.com>, <313@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:59:59 GMT
Subject:: Re: Re: (idm) MTV's AMP ?

On Wed, Aug 28, 1996 8:16:19 AM at AWerks2@aol.com wrote:

quoted 2 lines AMP will be making it's debut on September 4th after the MTV Video Music

>AMP will be making it's debut on September 4th after the MTV Video Music >Awards. It will also be rebroadcast a couple of times that weekend as

well.

quoted 2 lines It will feature videos from Sun Electric, Spacetime Continuum, Ken Ishii,

> >It will feature videos from Sun Electric, Spacetime Continuum, Ken Ishii,

The

quoted 1 line Future Sound Of London, Underworld, Autechre, Aphex Twin, Tricky, Chemical

>Future Sound Of London, Underworld, Autechre, Aphex Twin, Tricky, Chemical

quoted 7 lines Brothers, and others...

>Brothers, and others... > >I know we have discussed the merits of the show over the past couple of >months, so let's not get into it. IMHO, I feel it is important that we >SUPPORT THE SHOW with CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM to MTV. > >Even if you don't like the show, call MTV and tell them what you DO LIKE.

quoted 2 lines the underground doesn't support this with feedback, positive feedback,

>the underground doesn't support this with feedback, positive feedback, >they'll take it off, or even worse, make them change the programming to La

quoted 1 line Bouche videos with fractals in them instead of the cutting edge sounds and

>Bouche videos with fractals in them instead of the cutting edge sounds and

quoted 1 line visuals that these artists create.

>visuals that these artists create.

no disrespect to peter, but...... IMHO it is important that we tell mtv to fuck off. Call them and tell them what you DONT like. Tell them that they are full of shit, Tell them that you do not want to be part of their world. Like Peter said " If the underground doesn't support this....." watching cable tv instead of making music or listening to music is a bad idea. Period. the cutting edge is soon dulled with over use collinstrange? strange? records 445 e. 9th. ny.ny.10009 212.505.3025

1996-08-29 04:30Blipvertstrange@pipeline.com wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 28, 1996 8:16:19 AM at AWerks2@aol.com wrote:

From:: Blipvert <blipvert@snider.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Cc:: <ambient@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:30:48 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) MTV's AMP (STOP!)

strange@pipeline.com wrote:

quoted 30 lines On Wed, Aug 28, 1996 8:16:19 AM at AWerks2@aol.com wrote:

> > On Wed, Aug 28, 1996 8:16:19 AM at AWerks2@aol.com wrote: > > >AMP will be making it's debut on September 4th after the MTV Video Music > >Awards. It will also be rebroadcast a couple of times that weekend as > well. > > > >It will feature videos from Sun Electric, Spacetime Continuum, Ken Ishii, > The > >Future Sound Of London, Underworld, Autechre, Aphex Twin, Tricky, Chemical > > >Brothers, and others... > > > >I know we have discussed the merits of the show over the past couple of > >months, so let's not get into it. IMHO, I feel it is important that we > >SUPPORT THE SHOW with CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM to MTV. > > > >Even if you don't like the show, call MTV and tell them what you DO LIKE. > If > >the underground doesn't support this with feedback, positive feedback, > >they'll take it off, or even worse, make them change the programming to La > > >Bouche videos with fractals in them instead of the cutting edge sounds and > > >visuals that these artists create. > > no disrespect to peter, but...... > > > IMHO it is important that we tell mtv to fuck off. Call them and tell them

Can we end this thread now? I am really new to the list and I hate to be the one to say it but this avant vs popular debate is old hat. It has not been resolved throughout the history of art criticism and it will not be resolved here. After Pop-Art and Postmodernity we should be beyond this discussion-old story, new set. If people want to watch IDM on MTV, they can; if they don't want to, they don't have to. Choices are great, aren't they? This IS NOT a major political issue. Or new territory in cultural development. Steve Grant ******************************************************************************* "We explored the idea that we didn't want to control the circuits. Whereas everyone nowadays is obsessed with control-just the opposite of our approach." Bebe Barron

1996-08-29 16:38Spliffblipvert@snider.net wrote: > > Can we end this thread now? I am really new to the list and

From:: Spliff <kysrsoze@dls.net>
To:: <blipvert@snider.net>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>, <ambient@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:38:06 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) MTV's AMP (STOP!)

blipvert@snider.net wrote:

quoted 1 line

quoted 5 lines Can we end this thread now? I am really new to the list and I hate to be the

> Can we end this thread now? I am really new to the list and I hate to be the > one to say it but this avant vs popular debate is old hat. It has not been > resolved throughout the history of art criticism and it will not be resolved > here. After Pop-Art and Postmodernity we should be beyond this discussion-old > story, new set.

I think I can end this once and for all (yeah, right. Who am I kidding?). Anyway, my dig is this: Everyone bitches how these artists never get any airplay. Now they will. Everyone bitches about how albums never go domestic. Now they may. Everyone bitches about never actually getting to see these videos. Now they can. My only worry is that, at the next concert, I'll be sitting 300+feet away, wondering whether those specks on the stage are actually members of the band. If you don't agree with me, you're all stupid (whoa, wait a minute, I was kidding). Spliff.

1996-08-29 18:29Eric Hill>My only worry is that, at the next concert, I'll be sitting 300+feet >away, wondering whe

From:: Eric Hill <ehill@best.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:29:29 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) MTV's AMP (STOP!)

quoted 3 lines My only worry is that, at the next concert, I'll be sitting 300+feet

>My only worry is that, at the next concert, I'll be sitting 300+feet >away, wondering whether those specks on the stage are actually members >of the band.

Any 'spotter worth their notepad would be at the front of the ticket line (like I was for my 14th row seat for KISS last night). eric

1996-08-29 19:45Julius anthony MartinezOn Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Eric Hill wrote: > >My only worry is that, at the next concert, I'll

From:: Julius anthony Martinez <martinez@mail.sdsu.edu>
To:: Eric Hill <ehill@best.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) MTV's AMP (STOP!)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) MTV's AMP (STOP!)

On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Eric Hill wrote:

quoted 6 lines My only worry is that, at the next concert, I'll be sitting 300+feet

> >My only worry is that, at the next concert, I'll be sitting 300+feet > >away, wondering whether those specks on the stage are actually members > >of the band. > > Any 'spotter worth their notepad would be at the front of the >ticket line (like I was for my 14th row seat for KISS last night).

Nah. Once it starts getting into arena and stadiums things it's either not worth it or it's crap. The sound is often awful because of the size of the arena (or if it's in an outside stadium it's even worse). Besides once a band gets to the stage where they are big enough to headline arenas and stadiums on their own, their music has usually turned to crap anyway (with very few exceptions). T.

Re: (idm) MTV's AMP (STOP!)