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1996-02-06 16:21Erkki Rautio (idm) Alec Empire
1996-02-09 21:03Rex C. Arthur Re: (idm) Alec Empire
1996-08-15 23:49Eylon Israeli (idm) Alec Empire
1996-08-16 05:59(idm) alec empire
└─ 1996-08-16 14:33Kent Williams Re: (idm) alec empire
1996-08-16 12:31Kev Frey Re: (idm) Alec Empire
1996-10-07 05:24Dr. Giggles Re: (idm) Atari Teenage Riot
1996-10-07 21:57Brock Suter Re: (idm) Alec Empire
└─ 1996-10-08 14:43khannan suntharam Re: (idm) Alec Empire
└─ 1996-10-08 17:07Marc Wangenheim Re: (idm) Alec Empire
1996-10-09 04:53GD Re: (idm) Alec Empire
1996-10-09 18:03Thaddi Herrmann Re: (idm) Alec Empire
1997-02-07 19:05Thaddi Herrmann (idm) ALec Empire
1997-03-31 07:58Big M Enterprises (idm) Alec Empire
1997-03-31 13:50Big M Enterprises Re: (idm) Alec Empire
1997-03-31 18:17Iain H. Re: (idm) Alec Empire
1998-02-20 18:58Weavers, Simon (idm) Alec Empire
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1996-02-06 16:21Erkki RautioALEC EMPIRE INTERVIEW by DJ Entox, January '96 (Check http://www.basenet.net/~skreem for m
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ALEC EMPIRE INTERVIEW by DJ Entox, January '96 (Check http://www.basenet.net/~skreem for more info on The Skreem zine, or contact DJEntox@aol.com) DJ Entox: What projects do you have going on now? You have Atari Teenage Riot, Jaguar..... Alec Empire: I'm doing stuff on my own, the hardcore stuff, and stuff for Mille Plateaux which has a different vibe, not as aggressive. And I've got this other band, called Zeit.. DJ: And that's your newest project? AE: It's not a project of mine, I'm joining this band, it was originally Phillip and Luisa, and I'm doing my part in it. And of course I'm doing the label Digital Hardcore.. DJ: When did Atari Teenage Riot start? AE: This started in the beginning of '92.. Carl, hanin and I were playing together already, I started doing hard acid.. like in 89-90, I was playing at hardcore raves in Berlin. This was when they were good. Then I met Hanin and she was doing stuff on her own, then we got Carl involved as an MC. Then about the end of '91 we were thinking the techno scene was pretty dead. In Germany we saw things move in this one direction.. DJ: Like with Mayday and such? AE: Yeah, you can say after the first Mayday the scene was dead. It was like "OK, the industry wants to exploit it now" And everyone was like "Yeah, OK, we can make some money at this!!" It was pretty dead. Only stupid people go now.. DJ: Carl's English, right? AE: No, he's from Africa, actually. He moved to Berlin. And Hanin is from Damascus, Syria. Erm.. Ok, yes.. Then we started to do this band Atari Teenage Riot because we wanted to get away from this "rave" project thing.. standing behind machines pressing buttons or whatever. I always hated this image that if your doing techno you have to do it without personality. In '91 I really hated this. At the moment in Germany, everyone is selling personality.. the major industries always need a face to sell. This thing about "techno personalities" having no faces, sometimes that's important, but if you hide behind something and try and say your not responsible for stuff, that's not good. DJ: Was the first ATR release the EP that came out on Vertigo in the UK? AE: Yeah.. We were the first band from Germany signed directly to a UK label. We did this project to help get money for Digital Hardcore because it was the plan to take the advance and do what we wanted to with it.. We did 2 EP's for them. The record company spent a lot of money for us. A year later we made them take us out of contract.. then we started Digital Hardcore a week after we unsigned from Vertigo. DJ: I remember seeing little ATR logos spread all over NME back in '93.. AE: Yeah, that was our idea, actually.. it was the one good promotional thing we did! No one over there knew what we wanted. DJ: When you started ATR, was that when a lot of the neo-nazi incidents began to happen a lot in Germany? AE: Yeah, this was one thing.. There was developement with the wall coming down. But in the late 80's the left side was in a big dilemma. Everything was going down. Then the wall came down in the early 90's. This is one reason we started liking acid, bringing the message of not listening to politics or commercials on TV, that's why we listened to techno. When the neo-nazi movement was rising again, this didn't make sense anymore, to escape from reality. We talked about all this stuff to German techno DJ's in the scene and they were always like "Come on, no politics on the dancefloor, we shouldn't care if Neo-Nazi's burn down foreigner's houses" or whatever. Hanin and Carl were both foreigners and they were being attacked all the time.. just walking down the street in East Berlin. Now in Berlin a lot of the punks have beaten up the skinheads so they stay in their own area and don't go out as much. A lot of the general population now in Germany has been caught up in a new nationalism movement.. It's a bad thing to see, and as things were moving in this direction we decided we had to use vocals to on top of our music to point out what we want to say. These ravers.. the first generation was like us, more involved, but the younger generation was all about taking drugs and only having fun, that's it. You have to get beyond instrumental music sometimes. Atari Teenage Riot is about getting information out of Germany. DJ: You eventually started using more breakbeats with ATR and yourself, did you see it as a form of protest, using breakbeats? AE: I made the first breakbeat record which was released in the UK in '91.. and in the end of '91 we were using more breakbeats because this stomping/marching rhythm.. which was coming from Detroit.. with UR etc. When trance came up in Germany, and it was played at raves.. raves in Germany are very bad. If you see events like the Loveparade, it looks like German's marching again. We wanted to use more beats from soul music or hip hop. We got a reaction right away from shops in Germany when "Hetsjagd Auf Nazi's" (Hunt the Nazi's Down) was released, it was about 2 weeks after racist attacks in Rostock, a lot of shops didn't want to distribute the record. This was very surprising, so many people in the techno scene were saying "love, peace, unity, respect" or whatever, but a lot of problems can't be solved by just saying these four words or whatever. It doesn't make sense. I saw at the Omen club, which was Sven Väth's club, Turkish people were not allowed in the club. A lot of Trance DJ's come out of the Skinhead scene.. a lot of people don't know this in other countries. A lot of neo-nazi magazines praised the Loveparade, saying it was a good event because there were no American or British techno, it was all German, for German teenagers. The DJ is like a dictator, the person who guides the masses. Back to the breakbeat issue, yeah we use breaks most of the time, but we do use straight bass on our albums, too. But, we use the breaks from the hardcore scene, not the more dub/ragga influenced jungle scene. DJ: Are you still going to use breakbeats? AE: Yeah, I like very much the punk sound with crashing cymbals, and you can only really get that out of breakbeats.. DJ: You sample a lot of punk samples.. like Sham 69 in "Kids Are United"... AE: Well, yeah, but I see samples in two different ways, the samples to show the relationship we share with early punk, perhaps.. and then there's sampling something for the sound. For instance on the track "Cyberpunks Are Dead" on "1995" the grinding sound is a backwards guitar from the Stooges. DJ: Are all the artists on DHR out of Berlin? AE: Yeah.. erm.. Shizuo is originally from Berlin, then he moved to London, now he's back in Berlin. EC8OR was from Cologne, but he moved to Berlin, and Christoph de Babalon is from Hamburg. DJ: Is anybody involed with DHR squatters or anything like that? AE: Well, like a lot of our events were held in abandoned houses and such, but no one is squatting anymore.. with all of our equipment we own, it's too risky. A lot of skater punks, and even German hip hop kids like DHR. DJ: Did you throw any anti-Loveparade or anti-Mayday events while they were going on? AE: Yeah, this Loveparade we did something at the Suicide Club.. this was a club we got for 4 months, but then it was closed by the police. The funny thing was was that Westbam and his bunch were throwing a party and it was ridiculously priced, like 50 DM's, and only 150 people went there.. but at the same time we were throwing a party with 700 people! One thing that is important is that Dr. Motte, who started the Loveparade, was doing an interview about it for a newspaper, the interviewers asked if he had "any last words" about the parade, because it is supposed to be a demonstration thing so that they don't have to pay money to the state, and the police and government say that it is only a party, not a demonstration with a message. And Dr. Motte said, "We are for Peace, Love and unity in the world, and my personal message is the Jews should keep quiet about German history and they should shut up and just have a good time and stop moaning about things." Everyone was amazed, and couldn't believe it. Then Dr. Motte gave an interview on the radio, and tons of people called up and said, things like 'Fuck You.. what were you thinking?" etc., but Dr. Motte kept standing behind his statement. But kids called up saying their weren't going to the Loveparade, and they said they were going to an Atari Teenage Riot event instead in protest.. it was interesting! As the interview went on, Dr. Motte kept saying crap like "Forget about history.... We are Germans we should be proud.." and everyone including the radio guy was ganging up against him, calling him a fascist! It was funny. The serious thing about it is that techno is so big, it is misused by the media and such to make kids not interested in politics or racism. We did the first Anti-Racism raves with Force Inc. in '92. Then we did some DHR festivals.. But the good thing is that ticket sales are going down at Mayday, not as many people are going. More and more people are realising it's a rip-off.... DJ: Digital Hardcore has two offices, one in Berlin and one in London. Who runs the London office? AE: A guy named Peter.. there are 3 people basically running DHR; me, Joël Amaretto and Peter. Peter was our manager and he does the On-U-Sound label too. DJ: We talked earlier and you mentioned you were trying to work out an American deal for ATR/DHR.. AE: Yeah, Pete is talking to different people and I'll know more in the future about that. We opened for KMFDM when they were in Europe.. they are from Germany, but living in Chicago, but they were thinking of starting up a label in the USA. DJ: What do you think about the American scene? Do you think kids would be interested in politcs? I think most kids here are into it for fun.. AE: I think you have to combine the two.. it's not always like we're frustrated! You see during our shows, maybe like 50% of people are there just for the music. DJ: What are the ATR live shows like? Are all three of you on stage performing? AE: Yes, we perform all the music live, there is equipment on stage, it's like a band. DJ: Have you organized any actual protests or demonstrations? AE: Well, we support a lot of friend's projects.. for instance there is this newspaper, "Junge Welt" which I think translates to "Young World" or something. And the next time we play in Berlin they will hold a big discussion on whether the left wing should be more militant, and we are going to play at that. We could do more of course, but it's so hard to organize! DJ: Are there any anti-nazi leagues in Germany you can write to or anything? AE: Well yes, but they are illegal.. it is forbidden to have organizations like that. We are on the list of Neo-Nazi organizations of "people to watch".. us and Force Inc. We have gotten attacks and messages on our machine from Nazis. Some of our shows have even been cancelled. DJ: When you did the ATR/EC8OR tour recently, where did you go? AE: Mainly a lot of cities and small towns in Germany, we tried to cover everything we could, then we went to Switzerland and then to Iceland, which was very good.. we are actually pretty big in Iceland! We're played on daytime radio, even.. We were surrounded all the time by kids wanting our autograph! This tour hasn't ended yet, actually. We go to Scandinavia at the end of February and England sometime as well. DJ: How much of a distribution do you have with DHR.. for instance # of pressings or whatever? AE: Well, the ATR stuff sold like 10,000 in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. We only do 1,000 pressings of all vinyl, it's a little more underground. DJ: Is the Bass Terror Squad still together? AE: You mean the soundsystem thing? DJ: Yeah... how did that operate? AE: Well, this was me, Moonraker and Carl Crack, then we started getting involved with other hardcore breakbeat DJ's in the end of '93. Bass Terror still exists with EC8OR, me, Moonraker and Carl Crack, there were three other DJ's but now they are all doing like happy hardcore or drum and bass and trance or whatever. Copyright © 1996 The Skreem. ----- ERkki and there will be a false leader, he said trerra@uta.fi
1996-02-09 21:03Rex C. Arthur>aggressive. And I've got this other band, called Zeit.. >AE: It's not a project of mine,
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quoted 3 lines aggressive. And I've got this other band, called Zeit..>aggressive. And I've got this other band, called Zeit.. >AE: It's not a project of mine, I'm joining this band, it was >originally Phillip and Luisa,
this has no real IDM "value" but i saw Zeit play last month with Tortoise and Labradford here in new york, and i have to tell you...... Luisa from Zeit is one of the most attractive women i've ever seen.......
1996-08-15 23:49Eylon Israeli> >From: roon48@aol.com (ron small) >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:30:53 -0500 >Subject: (idm)
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quoted 16 lines From: roon48@aol.com (ron small)> >From: roon48@aol.com (ron small) >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:30:53 -0500 >Subject: (idm) Low on Ice, et al. > >I'm sure a lot of people out there have been trying to figure out what's being >said in the beginning and ending tracks on Alec Empire's _Low on Ice_, so >I'll help you all the fuck out. I think it's a woman saying "message >received intact." > >I've been listening to this one a lot lately, highly recommended. It's a lot >of dense minimalism with bass dripping out of the speakers in dubby tumesence. > >I have _Generation Star Wars_, also kind of blistering. It took me a while to >figure out what was going on with the 30 seconds of Marv Albert and the Knicks. >Now I'm still not sure I know.
first of all nice to see someone else LOVING mr.empire! second comes: BUY THE DESTROYER NOW! I said it once here and I'll say it again: smarter hardcore than I've ever heard before... Kicks you in the head and keeps you (me) glued to the chair till you're all numb and then the fun realy begins... btw: Can we please change the 'I' in the IDM to something else? SmartAss Dance? WiseCracking Dance? I just can't think of HAB as intelligent... Snow.
1996-08-16 05:59strange@pipeline.comDDDDDDIIIIIGGGGGIIITTTTTTTAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLHHHHHHAAAAAAARRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDCCCCCCCOOO
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DDDDDDIIIIIGGGGGIIITTTTTTTAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLHHHHHHAAAAAAARRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDCCCCCCCOOOOOOORRRRREEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (note new time-stretch typing program) there will be a digital hardcore show around sept 6 in nyc featuring: ATARI TEENAGE RIOT(feat. alec empire) EC8OR SCHIZOID I dont think this show will have any idm content ..........and alec really was signed to grand royal you know
1996-08-16 14:33Kent WilliamsOn Fri, 16 Aug 1996 strange@pipeline.com wrote: > DDDDDDIIIIIGGGGGIIITTTTTTTAAAAAAALLLLLLL
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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 strange@pipeline.com wrote:
quoted 14 lines DDDDDDIIIIIGGGGGIIITTTTTTTAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL> DDDDDDIIIIIGGGGGIIITTTTTTTAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL > HHHHHHAAAAAAARRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDCCCCCCCOOOOOOORRRRREEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > (note new time-stretch typing program) > > > there will be a digital hardcore show around sept 6 in nyc featuring: > > > ATARI TEENAGE RIOT(feat. alec empire) > EC8OR > SCHIZOID > > I dont think this show will have any idm content >
Hah! If you can't have fun at this show you've got the soul of a stone! IDM SCHMIDM! --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)
1996-08-16 12:31Kev FreyEylon Israeli wrote: > Dance? WiseCracking Dance? I just can't think of HAB as intelligent
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Eylon Israeli wrote:
quoted 2 lines Dance? WiseCracking Dance? I just can't think of HAB as intelligent...> Dance? WiseCracking Dance? I just can't think of HAB as intelligent... > Snow.
Why not? Granted, much of the album is a lot of noodling, but Laughable Butane Bob is my favorite song on that album and I find it very intelligent. And what about children talking, smart-ass bass looping. -- FreyGuy <Everyday is FreyDay> /The cold is telling you that you're alive\ \The night is showing you that you're limited/ KevFrey@evansville.net -------------- Kevfrey@siu.edu
1996-10-07 05:24Dr. GigglesAt 01:24 AM 10/8/96 +0200, Eylon Israeli wrote: >>From: "A.M. Barentsen" <chrome@xs4all.nl
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quoted 24 lines From: "A.M. Barentsen" <chrome@xs4all.nl>>>From: "A.M. Barentsen" <chrome@xs4all.nl> >>Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 19:21:45 +0200 >>Subject: Re: (idm) Atari Teenage Riot >> >>All I can say that the Atari Teenage Riot gig was quite an experience, sure >>it was really chaotic and they were shouting lyrics over it which you >>couldn't understand, still Alec Empire's "The Destroyer" is one of my fave >>records from this year ... Call me strange ... Guess I'm the only one who >>doesn't understand why everybody is talking about Squarepusher and almost >>nobody seems to like Empire's stuff. > >Glad to see I'm not the only one with as many Alec Empire records as I can >get my hands on (and believe me, I had to spit blood to get them here). > >Alec is one of my favourites with as a distinct feel to music as any of the >big guns running around this list being mentioned all the time. So wipe the >jazzy break smile from yer face for an hour or two and GET INTENSE for >that's what Alec is with his cut'n'paste aesthetics or should I say >cut'n'stickinyerface? >I don't say he's HARDER and FASTER and BIGGER and STRONGER, only that's he's >damn good. > >God I hate it when I do the fan... >
count me as a fan as well. I really dig his King of the Street 10 inch as well as the destroyer. Not to mention Low on Ice, and Generation Star wars. I was not so impressed with Two Space Cowboys on a bad trip, his collaboration with Ian Pooley probably due to the housey 4 on the floor beat. Mr Empire has some wicked techniques for getting a sound to float out of the speaker and hoover a couple of seconds and then zip back in. Giggles
quoted 4 lines Snow.> >Snow. > >
1996-10-07 21:57Brock SuterMy 10 cents on Alec, A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 't
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My 10 cents on Alec, A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'that distorted shit'. I was pleasantly surprised. Upon the first listen, RDJ came to mind. SAW II type ambient plus a few great distorted tracks. After more plays Alec's unique style came more apparent. A very diverse chap, this Alec. After that introduction, I've been buying all of his releases (except for ATR). 'Low on Ice' is more on a ambient tip but still very good. As for 'the Destroyer' that one I use to torture my asshole downstairs neighbors (along with 2 of the Universal indicator GREEN records mixed together, not beatmatched) They retaliate with showtunes and their horrible singing. They always loose, wimps... One other release of his that I haven't seen discussed is 'Hypermodern Jazz 2000.5'. The first time I heard it, I thought it was crap...months later I was checking out all the tracks on different speeds and found a couple of gems among the dog shit. This album is very wacky and if you can get past the goofy keyboard pounding, has it's moments. It's kind of like lounge jungle on speed. Typical Alec Empire track titles: Walk the Apocalypse God Told me How to Kiss Get Some I'm Goinna Die if I fall Asleep Again The Unknown Stepdancer Chilling Through the Lives Many Bars and No Money My Funk is Useless Slowly Falling in Love Dreaming is a Form of Astrotravel Is Alec Empire a very happy person? I don't know, but I like his music... brock np: Spacetime Continuum - 'remit recaps'
1996-10-08 14:43khannan suntharamOn Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Brock Suter wrote: > My 10 cents on Alec, > > A friend gave me 'Genera
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On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Brock Suter wrote:
quoted 5 lines My 10 cents on Alec,> My 10 cents on Alec, > > A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'that > distorted shit'. I was pleasantly surprised. Upon the first listen, > RDJ came to mind. SAW II type ambient plus a few great distorted
Is it my imagination or did A.Empire sample one of AFX's hard tracks on that album? I think it was the "elephant trak" offa ABB4 sans howling (#1) The album art is awesome..I shoulda bought it, but I only had enough $ for just A. Empire's Limited Ed. <sigh> khannan suntharam kxs28972@bayou.uh.edu
1996-10-08 17:07Marc WangenheimOn Tue, 8 Oct 1996, khannan suntharam wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Brock Suter wrote:
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On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, khannan suntharam wrote:
quoted 13 lines On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Brock Suter wrote:> > > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Brock Suter wrote: > > > My 10 cents on Alec, > > > > A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'that > > distorted shit'. I was pleasantly surprised. Upon the first listen, > > RDJ came to mind. SAW II type ambient plus a few great distorted > > Is it my imagination or did A.Empire sample one of AFX's hard tracks on > that album? I think it was the "elephant trak" offa ABB4 sans howling (#1) > The album art is awesome..
Yeah it is. Too bad that the original cover was censored in germany. He also went straight to my personal top ten list of best track titles with 'Sieg ueber die Mayday HJ'. -marc
1996-10-09 04:53GDBrock Suter said: >A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'tha
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Brock Suter said:
quoted 5 lines A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'that>A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'that >distorted shit'. I was pleasantly surprised. Upon the first listen, >RDJ came to mind. SAW II type ambient plus a few great distorted >tracks. After more plays Alec's unique style came more apparent. A >very diverse chap, this Alec.
I like this LP very much myself. "The Destroyer" didn't to much for me, but "Generation Star Wars" has some lovely string/orchestral pad shit that really hits the spot for me. Wicked gothic chords especially on the first and third tracks. I saw this documentary a bit ago on this Austrian serial killer and the LP music immediately came to mind, dunno why. So if I ever make a movie, I'll kindly ask Mr. Empire for his beautiful harmonies and fit them to frames of this Austrian freak doing his bloody work... GD
1996-10-09 18:03Thaddi Herrmann> > > > A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'that > > > dis
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quoted 11 lines A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'that> > > A friend gave me 'Generation Star Wars' because he knew I was into 'that > > > distorted shit'. I was pleasantly surprised. Upon the first listen, > > > RDJ came to mind. SAW II type ambient plus a few great distorted > > > > Is it my imagination or did A.Empire sample one of AFX's hard tracks on > > that album? I think it was the "elephant trak" offa ABB4 sans howling (#1) > > The album art is awesome.. > > Yeah it is. Too bad that the original cover was censored in germany. He > also went straight to my personal top ten list of best track titles with > 'Sieg ueber die Mayday HJ'.
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When I read the first reviews of that track, I think it's time to unsub... :-) Merci Thaddi, un flaneur electronique http://www.phreak.co.uk/haywire/dhr/sonicsubjunkies.html
1997-02-07 19:05Thaddi Herrmann> To all the Alec Empire-trainspotters: > > albums so far: > > * "Limited Editions 90-94"
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quoted 14 lines To all the Alec Empire-trainspotters:> To all the Alec Empire-trainspotters: > > albums so far: > > * "Limited Editions 90-94" (Mille Plateux) > * "Generation Star Wars" (Mille Plateux) > * "Low On Ice (The Iceland sessions)" (Mille Plateux) > * "Hypermodern Jazz 2000.5" (Mille Plateux) > * "The Destroyer" (DHR) > * "Les etoiles..." (Mille Plateux) > > plus lots of EPs and singles, also with his band Atari Teenage Riot or > under names such as Jaguar, PJP... Also check out his two songs on the > Nicolette album.
^^^^^ Hey Heiko, isn't that ECP? ^
quoted 3 lines Right now Alec is touring Germany with DJ Spooky and others, in March he> Right now Alec is touring Germany with DJ Spooky and others, in March he > will come to the US with his band Atari Teenage Riot to support Mr. Beck > Hansen on his tour.
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1997-03-31 07:58Big M EnterprisesCan someone give me any idea what I'm in for with the following: GENERATION STARWARS, HYPE
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Can someone give me any idea what I'm in for with the following: GENERATION STARWARS, HYPERMODERN JAZZ 2000.5, LES ETOILES DES FILLES MORTES, LIMITED EDITIONS 1990-94, LOW ON ICE. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------
1997-03-31 13:50Big M EnterprisesThanks for your help. But I was really after something that has a bit of variety from his
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Thanks for your help. But I was really after something that has a bit of variety from his ambient stuff to the more acidy and then to his Drum & Bass hectic stuff. Any ideas? Still Playing: Emmanuel Top - Asteroid (Did all you trainspotters know he was behind that BBE track that got heavy rotation on MTV europe?) Hess Hodge wrote:
quoted 26 lines Hey,> >Hey, >I really like 'Generation Star Wars'. It is some really tripped >out acid, nice complex beats, sometimes harsh, sometimes mellow. A very >interesting listen. 'Les Etoiles...' is generaly regarded as crap. I do >not own it but I did sample it at the record store. It is simplistic, >droney ambient that does not go anywhere for me. Someone on this list >said of it, "it is a pile of shit compressed flat and made to look like a >CD". I have not listened to the rest. > >Regards, >Hess > > >On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Big M Enterprises wrote: > >> Can someone give me any idea what I'm in for with the following: >> GENERATION STARWARS, HYPERMODERN JAZZ 2000.5, LES ETOILES DES FILLES >> MORTES, LIMITED EDITIONS 1990-94, LOW ON ICE. >> Thanks > > >-/\= Hess M. Hodge >~/\ hess.hodge@colorado.edu >(/\) http://stap.colorado.edu/~hodge >
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1997-03-31 18:17Iain H.>Thanks for your help. But I was really after something that has a bit >of variety from hi
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quoted 3 lines Thanks for your help. But I was really after something that has a bit>Thanks for your help. But I was really after something that has a bit >of variety from his ambient stuff to the more acidy and then to his >Drum & Bass hectic stuff. Any ideas?
quoted 8 lines Hey,>>Hey, >>I really like 'Generation Star Wars'. It is some really tripped >>out acid, nice complex beats, sometimes harsh, sometimes mellow. A very >>interesting listen. 'Les Etoiles...' is generaly regarded as crap. I do >>not own it but I did sample it at the record store. It is simplistic, >>droney ambient that does not go anywhere for me. Someone on this list >>said of it, "it is a pile of shit compressed flat and made to look like a >>CD". I have not listened to the rest.
quoted 4 lines Can someone give me any idea what I'm in for with the following:>>> Can someone give me any idea what I'm in for with the following: >>> GENERATION STARWARS, HYPERMODERN JAZZ 2000.5, LES ETOILES DES FILLES >>> MORTES, LIMITED EDITIONS 1990-94, LOW ON ICE. >>> Thanks
quoted 1 line Hess M. Hodge>> Hess M. Hodge
I've got to admit that I agree in general with the summation of 'Generation Star Wars' - it is a fine, interesting, listen with some beautiful white noise thrown throughout some 'fairly classic' (..?) techno structures. I can be a real sucker for distorted beats, so it wins with me... and the Death Star CD print sure impresses the ladies. ;) 'Les Etoiles Des Filles Mortes' is a difficult record. The closest reference I can give is that of Oval but, instead of the songs being cut up to give them unique and repetitive structures, the songs seem to have been finished and then destroyed - cut up to hell and distressed. Many people may feel that the time to get to know this record would not be well spent but its shifting feel can provide a backdrop that makes sense of some days. 'Limited Editions 1990-1994' is quite nice but, speaking for myself, I wouldn't necessarily say that it grabbed me, although I am motivated to keep listening to it for some reason. If I hear correctly, the first track ("suEcide") might contain a sample from the theme tune to 'Wonder Woman', and that can't be a bad thing... If, as you seem to indicate above, your tastes are more towards his 'The Destroyer' album then his future releases are probably the things to look out for. 'Low On Ice' may tide you over as it does contain some nice moments verging on jungle but with very stripped down and overall bass heavy structures. The Grand Royal 7" single with "22:24" (a nice but ambient kinda jungle-ish track from 'Low On Ice') and "The Peak" (a version of "When You've Reached Your Peak" from 'The Destroyer') might help to give you the idea. Hope at least some of this helps. Rubyjune.
1998-02-20 18:58Weavers, SimonHi - Not very IDM, I guess, but has anyone picked up the box set, "The Geist of Alec Empir
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Hi - Not very IDM, I guess, but has anyone picked up the box set, "The Geist of Alec Empire" yet? Is it worth the (I'm sure) considerable investment? - Sw np: Pet Sounds (for real - my dog is snoring)
1998-02-23 16:57Øivind IdsøAt 13:58 20.02.98 EST, you wrote: >Hi - Not very IDM, I guess, but has anyone picked up th
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At 13:58 20.02.98 EST, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines Hi - Not very IDM, I guess, but has anyone picked up the box set, "The>Hi - Not very IDM, I guess, but has anyone picked up the box set, "The >Geist of Alec Empire" yet? >Is it worth the (I'm sure) considerable investment?
I got this CD last week, and while I haven't listened to it too much I can only give you an initial/first impression: * I had quite high expectations for this 3CD set, but feel it could probably have been cut down to a 1 1/2CD set (!) instead; some of the tracks are really mediocre and add nothing new to either Mr. Empire's output nor the music "scene" in general (he should probably spend some more time on his tracks rather than just release everything he does; but then again, I somehow expect he would sound a bit like Autechre + MOM if he did...;) HOWEVER, you should probably buy it anyways, because it's not that expensive. I paid something like £17 for it, and that's not much considering you get A) 3 CDs, B) the "best of" collection of Alec Empire and C) some unreleased tracks that are probably the best tracks on the CD (in addition to the tracks from Hypermoden Jazz 2000.5. (speaking of cheap CDs: I recently bought RLW's remix project, "Tulpas" (on Selektion), which is a 5CD set consisting of remixes using the entire RLW discography. I paid about £21 for it! But it's not exactly IDM.).
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