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1996-08-09 04:08Re: (idm) Diceman?
└─ 1996-08-12 06:16Christopher Miller (idm) Re: Diceman?
└─ 1996-08-12 22:08Jeff Gage Re: (idm) Re: Diceman?
1996-08-12 09:07Re: (idm) Re: Diceman?
1996-08-13 11:56Maarten D. Schermer Re: (idm) Re: Diceman?
├─ 1996-08-13 18:51Jeff Gage Re: (idm) Re: Diceman?
│ └─ 1996-08-13 23:30Christopher Miller (idm) Re: Diceman?
│ └─ 1996-08-14 03:25Jeff Gage (idm) Re: Diceman?
└─ 1996-08-14 22:27Aaron Michelson Re: (idm) Re: Diceman?
1996-08-13 19:39John Audette RE: (idm) Re: Diceman?
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1996-08-09 04:08Ren8sance@aol.com>What exactly does RDJ have to do with those Diceman 12' I often see >credited to him, but
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quoted 4 lines What exactly does RDJ have to do with those Diceman 12' I often see>What exactly does RDJ have to do with those Diceman 12' I often see >credited to him, but not on fluid's discography? An explanation >would be appreciated. Sorry if this subject has come up before, but >it hasn't since I've been a listmember...
It's not on Fluid's Discog because it isn't Aphex. PERIOD. I saved this email because I knew it would come up again.... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
quoted 1 line Can someone tell me anything about these Diceman EP's I keep finding?> Can someone tell me anything about these Diceman EP's I keep finding?
DICEMAN is one of the many pseudonyms used by Jolly James/Colin James. He is also LMNO, EMANON, BOB AND IAN, and SOLACE. It's pretty weak blip bloop repetetive housey boring stuff. As far as I know, there's only one actual release by DICEMAN (called "Le Noir"), and I think other tracks appear on some other split Vivatonal Records release. Anyway, this project is definitely not to be confused with the RDJ alias (from AI.1) as quite a few people originally thought. One of the tracks on the 12" e.p., "Gris" (I think - I can't remember), uses the same exact spoken-word sample (all the way straight through) as in the MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO song, "God O.D. (part 2)" - it's the 'children of the beloved' one. I have this theory that Greg Retch (ex-MBM) has something to do with DICEMAN. In fact, there is a Vivatonal compilation that features a piece on it which was the opening noise intro to MBM's first tour (it's called "Admission", and it's credited to MUSICAL DIRECTOR). Unless someone else has anything to add, that's all I know. In addition though, here is an article out of the _New Music Express_ "Info Feako" section from March of 1995 (as typed up/transcribed by Maarten D. Schermer <slavlab@xs4all.nl>), which may shed a little bit more light on the subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Aural Exciter I've seen a compilation CD called "Vivatonal" featuring tracks by The Diceman. I know that this is one of the pseudonyms by Richard D. James of Aphex Twin fame, but I've never come across any of these titles before. Can you shed any light on this? (...) - Angus Bryant, Rugby Richard James, aka Aphex Twin Polygon Window, AFX and several thousand other names, has only released one track as The Diceman, the confusingly entitled "Polygon Window" on Warp Records' 1992 "Artificial Intelligence" compilation (LP/CD, WARPLP/CD 6). He was subsequently forced to drop this name when a previously existing Diceman took umbrage, and it's this Diceman who appears on the "Vivatonal" collection (Vivatonal CD, VTTCD 01). The original Diceman is, to add further confusion, an unrelated Colin James. "Vivatonal", which feature mixes by Kris Needs, The Sabres Of Paradise and Spooky, is actually entirely the work of Colin James working under no less than five pseudonyms. (...)" --------------------------------------------------------------------------
1996-08-12 06:16Christopher MillerOh. That was me who wrote the below stuff about THE DICEMAN. Anyway, just recently an inte
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Oh. That was me who wrote the below stuff about THE DICEMAN. Anyway, just recently an interviewer from the MBM list asked Jack Dangers what Greg Retch's real name was... ...you guessed it: `Colin James'. Thhat means that THE DICEMAN is none other than ex-MBM scratcher, DJ Greg Retch! NOT Richard James. Let's put this to rest once and for all. Therefore, the next FS list I see with THE DICEMAN under the `APHEX/ RePhLeX and related' section should be flamed in accordance... or something like that. This is as bad as mis-labeling those UNIVERSAL INDICATOR records. That's it. The End. namecid. .`-). qp -' christopher miller ==' evil@digital.net ' On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 Ren8sance@aol.com wrote:
quoted 52 lines It's not on Fluid's Discog because it isn't Aphex. PERIOD. I saved this> It's not on Fluid's Discog because it isn't Aphex. PERIOD. I saved this > email because I knew it would come up again.... > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > Can someone tell me anything about these Diceman EP's I keep finding? > > DICEMAN is one of the many pseudonyms used by Jolly James/Colin > James. He is also LMNO, EMANON, BOB AND IAN, and SOLACE. It's pretty > weak blip bloop repetetive housey boring stuff. > > As far as I know, there's only one actual release by DICEMAN (called > "Le Noir"), and I think other tracks appear on some other split Vivatonal > Records release. Anyway, this project is definitely not to be confused > with the RDJ alias (from AI.1) as quite a few people originally thought. > > One of the tracks on the 12" e.p., "Gris" (I think - I can't > remember), uses the same exact spoken-word sample (all the way straight > through) as in the MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO song, "God O.D. (part 2)" - it's > the 'children of the beloved' one. I have this theory that Greg Retch > (ex-MBM) has something to do with DICEMAN. In fact, there is a Vivatonal > compilation that features a piece on it which was the opening noise intro > to MBM's first tour (it's called "Admission", and it's credited to MUSICAL > DIRECTOR). > > Unless someone else has anything to add, that's all I know. In > addition though, here is an article out of the _New Music Express_ "Info > Feako" section from March of 1995 (as typed up/transcribed by Maarten D. > Schermer <slavlab@xs4all.nl>), which may shed a little bit more light on > the subject: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Aural Exciter > > I've seen a compilation CD called "Vivatonal" featuring tracks by The > Diceman. I know that this is one of the pseudonyms by Richard D. James of > Aphex Twin fame, but I've never come across any of these titles before. > Can you shed any light on this? (...) > - Angus Bryant, Rugby > > Richard James, aka Aphex Twin Polygon Window, AFX and several > thousand other names, has only released one track as The Diceman, the > confusingly entitled "Polygon Window" on Warp Records' 1992 "Artificial > Intelligence" compilation (LP/CD, WARPLP/CD 6). He was subsequently > forced to drop this name when a previously existing Diceman took umbrage, > and it's this Diceman who appears on the "Vivatonal" collection (Vivatonal > CD, VTTCD 01). The original Diceman is, to add further confusion, an > unrelated Colin James. "Vivatonal", which feature mixes by Kris Needs, The > Sabres Of Paradise and Spooky, is actually entirely the work of Colin > James working under no less than five pseudonyms. (...)" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
.`-). qp -' christopher miller ==' evil@digital.net '
1996-08-12 22:08Jeff GageOn Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Christopher Miller wrote: > That was me who wrote the below stuff abo
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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
quoted 7 lines That was me who wrote the below stuff about THE DICEMAN. Anyway, just> That was me who wrote the below stuff about THE DICEMAN. Anyway, just > recently an interviewer from the MBM list asked Jack Dangers what Greg Retch's > real name was... > > ...you guessed it: `Colin James'. Thhat means that THE DICEMAN is none > other than ex-MBM scratcher, DJ Greg Retch! NOT Richard James. Let's put this > to rest once and for all.
My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by A/F/X says that RDJ is also "The Diceman"... who's fooling who, here?
quoted 8 lines Richard James, aka Aphex Twin Polygon Window, AFX and several> > Richard James, aka Aphex Twin Polygon Window, AFX and several > > thousand other names, has only released one track as The Diceman, the > > confusingly entitled "Polygon Window" on Warp Records' 1992 "Artificial > > Intelligence" compilation (LP/CD, WARPLP/CD 6). He was subsequently > > forced to drop this name when a previously existing Diceman took umbrage, > > and it's this Diceman who appears on the "Vivatonal" collection (Vivatonal > > CD, VTTCD 01). The original Diceman is, to add further confusion, an > > unrelated Colin James.
Hmmm reading farther into the quoted messages seems to answer my own question. "We can all be right together! :) :) " I suppose that lays it all to rest... -jeff ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeffrey D.Gerard (Jeff Gage) http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-gerard/ mailto:j-gerard@uiuc.edu (personal) voicephone://217-344-3957 mailto:j-gerard@ncsa.uiuc.edu (business) pager://217-xxx-xxxx ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1996-08-12 09:07O4thWorld@aol.comIn a message dated 12/08/96 06:18:06, you write: > > Therefore, the next FS list I see wit
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In a message dated 12/08/96 06:18:06, you write:
quoted 3 lines Therefore, the next FS list I see with THE DICEMAN under the `APHEX/> > Therefore, the next FS list I see with THE DICEMAN under the `APHEX/ >RePhLeX and related' section should be flamed in accordance... or something
don't shoot the messenger.....the list was a direct copy from the guy who was selling it . he was an Aphex/Rephlex nut and obviously thought they were Aphex.. sonic assassin@4th world records uk btw .. bids updated on the way
1996-08-13 11:56Maarten D. Schermer>My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by A/F/X says that RDJ is also "The >Diceman"... who'
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quoted 2 lines My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by A/F/X says that RDJ is also "The>My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by A/F/X says that RDJ is also "The >Diceman"... who's fooling who, here?
!?! What issue is that? Mine says very little about anything except bubbles. Maarten
1996-08-13 18:51Jeff GageOn Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Maarten D. Schermer wrote: > >My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by
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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Maarten D. Schermer wrote:
quoted 4 lines My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by A/F/X says that RDJ is also "The> >My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by A/F/X says that RDJ is also "The > >Diceman"... who's fooling who, here? > > !?! What issue is that? Mine says very little about anything except bubbles.
I don't have it with me, but it talks about how wonderful RDJ is and has a discog that does not include stuff as recent as SAW2 or I Care... . It's apparently the first CD release, I got it for like $7. I'll go home and check if anybody's interested. -j ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeffrey D.Gerard (Jeff Gage) http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-gerard/ mailto:j-gerard@uiuc.edu (personal) voicephone://217-344-3957 mailto:j-gerard@ncsa.uiuc.edu (business) pager://217-xxx-xxxx ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1996-08-13 23:30Christopher MillerOn Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote: > I don't have it with me, but it talks about how wo
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quoted 3 lines I don't have it with me, but it talks about how wonderful RDJ is and has a> I don't have it with me, but it talks about how wonderful RDJ is and has a > discog that does not include stuff as recent as SAW2 or I Care... . It's > apparently the first CD release, I got it for like $7.
Ah... you're talking about AB1, and *not* AB3. egag. .`-). qp -' christopher miller ==' evil@digital.net '
1996-08-14 03:25Jeff GageOn Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Christopher Miller wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote: > >
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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
quoted 7 lines On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:> On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote: > > > I don't have it with me, but it talks about how wonderful RDJ is and has a > > discog that does not include stuff as recent as SAW2 or I Care... . It's > > apparently the first CD release, I got it for like $7. > > Ah... you're talking about AB1, and *not* AB3.
Doh! Sorry for raising perverted hopes for limited releases or anything... -j ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeffrey D.Gerard (Jeff Gage) http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-gerard/ mailto:j-gerard@uiuc.edu (personal) voicephone://217-344-3957 mailto:j-gerard@ncsa.uiuc.edu (business) pager://217-xxx-xxxx ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1996-08-14 22:27Aaron MichelsonOn Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Maarten D. Schermer wrote: > >My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by
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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Maarten D. Schermer wrote:
quoted 2 lines My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by A/F/X says that RDJ is also "The> >My CD copy of Analogue Bubblebath 3 by A/F/X says that RDJ is also "The > >Diceman"... who's fooling who, here?
That's Analogue Bubblebath 1 reissued on TVT Records. There is a discography included in the package, which mentions the Diceman track included in Warp's "Artificial Intelligence Volume 1" Compilation. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org
1996-08-13 19:39John AudetteABB#1 (on CD) has a write up about RDJ's aka's. Are you sure it is ABB#3; mine says nothin
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ABB#1 (on CD) has a write up about RDJ's aka's. Are you sure it is ABB#3; mine says nothing of the sort.