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(idm) Re: The roots of jungle ....

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1996-07-28 03:58Datboy (idm) Re: The roots of jungle ....
1996-07-28 07:52Sugatis & Co Re: (idm) Re: The roots of jungle ....
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1996-07-28 03:58Datboy>While the chopped-up, speeded-up formats of shows like Sesame Street have >been shown to
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Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:58:45 -0400
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(idm) Re: The roots of jungle ....
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quoted 9 lines While the chopped-up, speeded-up formats of shows like Sesame Street have>While the chopped-up, speeded-up formats of shows like Sesame Street have >been shown to be linked to the short attention span of the "MTV generation," >I can't help but wonder if some of this frenetic, insanely paced music, which >is often constructed of tiny bits of other rhythms, is music for a soundbyte >oriented culture. Have we been so trained by the media to accept information >only in speedy, cut-up fragments, that the way in which we construct and >listen to music is now becoming affected? I am 31 years old and watch no >television--could this be why I often find it difficult to keep up with the >pace of the likes of Squarepusher?
I think it's music for a soundbyte oriented culture, but there was a lot of stuff in the 60's that was constructed like this -- Steve Reich, Phillip Glass's earlier music, Frank Zappa ("We're Only In It For The Money") and so on and so forth. I have an extremely LONG attention span, mostly because I'm a trained pianist, and have been listening to major length classical works all my life (I also have no use for the tube). My perspective on the dance music that people consider gimmicky and cheesy (like most of the stuff coming out of ZYX, to name one label) takes one thing, repeats it to oblivion, and slightly changes the background around every four repetitions, with a few breaks thrown in for good measure. The stuff that seems to have staying power is the really layered stuff, sometimes so densely layered that it's hard to follow. I know that I'm NOT going to be playing "Sesame's Treet" in the near future, but "High In The Jungle" (Simply Jeff, Ron D Core, under the pseudonym The Core, roughly released around the same time -- '90 or so) could play until the year 2010 and I'd STILL get off on it, the same way that my musical obsession of 15 years ago (the Minutemen) can still get me going nowadays. For every Squarepusher track, though, there's an Air track to offset it, and everything in between, so MY stereo's pumping, at least! db
1996-07-28 07:52Sugatis & CoKeep in mind that a good percentage of the jungle stuff out there, namely alot of Photek/S
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Keep in mind that a good percentage of the jungle stuff out there, namely alot of Photek/Source Direct and that, and even a few SP tracks, is fairly minimal in its construction at times. Jungle is not necessarily a sensory overload of sampled amen breaks, it is, in fact, despite what one might think, a bit less of a sensory overload of sampled other than amen breaks on occasion. Given the chart success of the hidden camera, which had some fairly minimal breaks in it, and was not at all overloading nor geared to a very short attention span, I would go so far as to assert that Jungle's roots/popularity lie elsewhere. Incidentally, cut-and-paste/soundbite music has been around for years under such names as "musique concrete" (whatever that means ;) and some of it is most definitely NOT geared toward those with short attention spans...