179,854Messages
9,130Senders
30Years
342mboxes

← archive index

(idm) Chemical Brothers as MBM deconstructionists (fwd)

5 messages · 3 participants · spans 1 day · search this subject
◇ merged from 2 subjects: (idm) chemical brothers as mbm deconstructionists (fwd) · (idm) empirion: re: mbm deconstructionists
1996-07-01 11:40William L Samuels (idm) Chemical Brothers as MBM deconstructionists (fwd)
1996-07-01 11:44William L Samuels Re: (idm) Chemical Brothers as MBM deconstructionists (fwd)
└─ 1996-07-01 12:24James Skilton (idm) Empirion: Re: MBM deconstructionists
├─ 1996-07-01 12:42William L Samuels Re: (idm) Empirion: Re: MBM deconstructionists
└─ 1996-07-01 15:45Erkki Rautio Re: (idm) Empirion: Re: MBM deconstructionists
expand allcollapse allclick any summary to toggle that message
1996-07-01 11:40William L SamuelsI just have a question. I am sure that Chemical Brothers are influenced by Meat Beat Manif
From:
William L Samuels
To:
idm
Date:
Mon, 1 Jul 1996 04:40:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject:
(idm) Chemical Brothers as MBM deconstructionists (fwd)
permalink · <Pine.A32.3.91.960701043219.36705E-100000@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
I just have a question. I am sure that Chemical Brothers are influenced by Meat Beat Manifesto, but I don't know whether I would say CB are MBM deconstructionist. Both bands borrow heavily from others people. Meat Beat has sampled a lot of other people, and there are many people sampling Meat Beat. A friend of mine was commenting that the new Chemical Brothers remix of Dave Clarke used a sound from an MC Shan song. The Chemicals said that when they first got started they tried to sound like a mix of Renegade Soundwave and some else (wasn't MBM). Would you say that Meat Beat are deconstructionist of Public Enemy? I wouldn't say that. I don't think that deconstructionist is an appropriate term, influenced, inspired, something like that maybe. One person, who I would say is a Deconstructionist is Aphex Twin. A lot of his remixes of other artist (at least the one's he doesn't like), tears the original song to shreads, and reworks it so that it sounds totally alien to the original. I always love hearing an Aphex Twin remix. But I may have different meaning to the term 'deconstructionist', then you do.
1996-07-01 11:44William L SamuelsOn Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Eric Frans response Greg Earle: > I think calling Meat Beat Manifesto
From:
William L Samuels
To:
idm
Date:
Mon, 1 Jul 1996 04:44:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject:
Re: (idm) Chemical Brothers as MBM deconstructionists (fwd)
permalink · <Pine.A32.3.91.960701044148.36705F-100000@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Eric Frans response Greg Earle:
quoted 21 lines I think calling Meat Beat Manifesto's sound 'horrible' is a little much.> I think calling Meat Beat Manifesto's sound 'horrible' is a little much. > Sure they broke out with a live drum kit, sax, and guitar, but you've got > to admit that the drummer was the shit (in a good shit way 8) ), though. > His drum breaks fit in perfectly with the electronic drum tracks and his > timing was right on IMO. Did you catch the one section of the set > where there was an extended drum track with only low Moog-like bass > over the top? That was some serious Meat Beat funk! (If anyone knows > what the hell I'm talking about here, was that a new cut because I didn't > recognize it from the new double album?). Plus it was kind of cool to > here a more improvisational feel to a lot the Meat Beat classics like > Helter Skelter and Radio Babylon. I have to agree with you though about > the guitar and sax, since I could barely even hear those two instruments > in the mix. Jack's vocals did drop out every once in awhile, but they > definitely were loud enough during quite a bit ot the show. You forgot > to mention the addition of the theremin also. I thought that guy in the > back controlling the keyboards and the theremin did a nice job of adding > those great sci-fi sounds into the mix. I'm a big Meat Beat Manifesto fan > myself and it might have been nice to hear some of the tracks from the new > 2nd disc, but I don't think the lack of those songs and the addition of > 'real' instruments made for a 'horrible' set. At least they were up for > trying something new.
I have to agree that MBM was definitely not horrible, and the drummer was really good. This was my first time seeing Meat Beat perform, and I think they did a really good job. I think that having the live drummer and guitarist was kind of cool. The drummer was solid! Perhaps, after years of using drum machines, Jack decided to experiment a little with his live performance. I will admit the highlight of his performance was when he played old favorites like Helter Skelter, and God O.D. At one point it in the show I could of swore that Jack was singing part of Ashes to Ashes by David Bowie, that was a big surprise. Getting back to live drumming, I read that Orbital taped a friend drumming so that they could sample and use it on their new album. I don't know what kind of drum machine they use, maybe they are bore with it's sounds or they wanted a different kind of drum sound then they have electronically. For the MBM fans, check out Empirion's - Narcotic Influence (Meat Beat Remix) I gave it a quick listen, and really liked it. Just got a promo of it.
1996-07-01 12:24James SkiltonWilliam L Samuels wrote on Mon, 01 Jul 96 12:44:03 BST : > For the MBM fans, check out Emp
From:
James Skilton
To:
idm
Date:
Mon, 01 Jul 96 13:24:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject:
(idm) Empirion: Re: MBM deconstructionists
Reply to:
Re: (idm) Chemical Brothers as MBM deconstructionists (fwd)
permalink · <MAPI.Id.0016.00616d65737320204331424530303033@MAPI.to.RFC822>
William L Samuels wrote on Mon, 01 Jul 96 12:44:03 BST :
quoted 2 lines For the MBM fans, check out Empirion's - Narcotic Influence (Meat Beat Remix)> For the MBM fans, check out Empirion's - Narcotic Influence (Meat Beat Remix) > I gave it a quick listen, and really liked it. Just got a promo of it.
This can also be found on a 7" single included in the new Jockey Slut. Made me think "this sounds a lot like the Chemical Brothers" :-) Let's not go round _that_ loop again. For those who already own the original mix, this special is a better bet than the commercial 12" #1, as you get a free mag and extra b-side track "Ciao" for less readies than the 12". btw the Empirion commercial release is as follows (to clarify) 12" #1 Original Mix MBM Mix 12" #2 Dave Clarke Mix Secret Knowledge Mix CD All 4 mixes (I think) J ^ __________ ________.__/_____ _||_/ James Skilton aka Steady J _[]/_____________[.__\____-_ DJ and Party Animal | Ae discog on-line now! | Part Time Hedonist |____________________________| Full Time Technohead |__|-' '-|__| Steady-J@Firefox.co.uk http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~sk393820/
1996-07-01 12:42William L SamuelsOn Mon, 1 Jul 1996, James Skilton wrote: > William L Samuels wrote on Mon, 01 Jul 96 12:44
From:
William L Samuels
To:
James Skilton
Cc:
idm
Date:
Mon, 1 Jul 1996 05:42:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject:
Re: (idm) Empirion: Re: MBM deconstructionists
Reply to:
(idm) Empirion: Re: MBM deconstructionists
permalink · <Pine.A32.3.91.960701053725.36705O-100000@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, James Skilton wrote:
quoted 23 lines William L Samuels wrote on Mon, 01 Jul 96 12:44:03 BST :> William L Samuels wrote on Mon, 01 Jul 96 12:44:03 BST : > > > For the MBM fans, check out Empirion's - Narcotic Influence (Meat Beat Remix) > > I gave it a quick listen, and really liked it. Just got a promo of it. > > This can also be found on a 7" single included in the new Jockey Slut. Made > me think "this sounds a lot like the Chemical Brothers" :-) Let's not go round > _that_ loop again. > For those who already own the original mix, this special is a better bet than > the commercial 12" #1, as you get a free mag and extra b-side track "Ciao" for > less readies than the 12". > btw the Empirion commercial release is as follows (to clarify) > > 12" #1 > Original Mix > MBM Mix > > 12" #2 > Dave Clarke Mix > Secret Knowledge Mix > > CD > All 4 mixes (I think)
For those that are curious, I thought that the Meat Beat Manifesto was the best mix (in case you are buying it on vinyl, since there are 2 parts). The Dave Clarke remix is good, but I expected a little more from him. I was just about to order that Jockey Slut, is it a good issue?
1996-07-01 15:45Erkki Rautio> > For the MBM fans, check out Empirion's - Narcotic Influence > > (Meat Beat Remix) > >
From:
Erkki Rautio
To:
James Skilton
Cc:
Date:
Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:45:19 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject:
Re: (idm) Empirion: Re: MBM deconstructionists
Reply to:
(idm) Empirion: Re: MBM deconstructionists
permalink · <199607011245.PAA24562@kielo.uta.fi>
quoted 7 lines For the MBM fans, check out Empirion's - Narcotic Influence> > For the MBM fans, check out Empirion's - Narcotic Influence > > (Meat Beat Remix) > > I gave it a quick listen, and really liked it. Just got a promo of it. > > This can also be found on a 7" single included in the new Jockey Slut. Made > me think "this sounds a lot like the Chemical Brothers" :-) Let's not go > round _that_ loop again.
I also got this mix and really liked it very much, even better than Empirion's original... I wonder if the Dave Clarke mix on the second 12" is any good? k u r i e r o t i k a a.k.a. e r k k i r a u t i o <a href="http://www.uta.fi/~trerra/">pHinnWeb</a>