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1996-06-20 01:36(idm) Examples
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1996-06-20 11:22Nuutti 'Gordon' Merildinen Re: (idm) Examples
1996-06-20 16:18Jon Drukman Re: (idm) Examples
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1996-06-20 01:36whatthat@nando.netHelp!! I'm currently trying to make some music with friends who aren't particularly into t
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Help!! I'm currently trying to make some music with friends who aren't particularly into the stuff we talk about on idm but I thought you (collective) might be able to help .... Oh yeh, I'm classically trained, they're not ... Seems that they're what I call "slaves to the eight" which means that when we're working on our sequence they think everything has to make its change at bar 9, 17, 25, 33, 41, etc., and there is no switching to 2/4 or 6/4 to get a more flowing resolution or having a phrase 9, 10, 11, 12 bars long, etc. Their argument is that DJ's won't want to play it if it does that. I maintain as long as it flows and you can move to it it's valid and that we can do things that are different phrasewise, and without that, the music will get boring and cheesy really quickly, and if it stays phat then they'll play it anyway -- and besides, don't most DJ's know their records inside and out before they spin them in public? We have furious arguments about this (although I won the ones about slight tempo changes and dynamics), and I end up ruining lots of good ideas because they don't feel right after I've "eighted" them. Then I refuse to record the sequence to DAT, and the argument about money starts. So, can you (collective) help me by telling me about some stuff that doesn't stay a slave to the eight so I can build a DJ set out of it and show that it can be done? One record that I've found that is a fantastic starting point is Groove Collective's cover of the Beatles song "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", which at the end of the verse hits a 2/4 bar, but flows really nicely (if you know the song it's the last time the words "driving me mad" occur in the verse). Any help that you can give me on anything that breaks these ideas is more than appreciated .... Thanks K.
1996-06-20 10:49James SkiltonThe Mighty Dub Kats, "Just a Groove". Big big house/disco tune at the moment in the UK at
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Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:49:35 +0100 (BST)
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The Mighty Dub Kats, "Just a Groove". Big big house/disco tune at the moment in the UK at least. Uses a 15-beat bar structure most of the time - kinda 4/4-3/4-4/4-4/4. drops to regular 8-cum-16 at times. Wicked! a fair bit of of stuff by Autechre / Gescom uses "funny" rhythms. eg "Five" from first Gescom EP is in 5, and there's one somewhere in a non-tripleted 9/8 rhythm. very strange. One of the tracks on the Bola 1 EP on SKAM is in 3 I think, certainly it's not in 4 or 8 One of the tracks on FSOLs "Far out son of Lung" is a hip-hop beat in 3/4 I heard something at a dub/ambient club event which was in 21/8,
1996-06-20 11:22Nuutti 'Gordon' MerildinenJames Skilton wrote: > [ list deleted for brevity ] > > I heard something at a dub/ambient
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James Skilton wrote:
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quoted 3 lines I heard something at a dub/ambient club event which was in 21/8,> > I heard something at a dub/ambient club event which was in 21/8, >
Scanner's "Flaneur Electronique is 15/16. -- nuutti 'gordon' merildinen. gordon@vip.fi. technostructuralist. diversion communications. finger for pgp2.6.2i public key. fingerprint. 52 BC 87 2B DF 74 31 C9 77 3B 2A E2 1E 52 D1 9C.
1996-06-20 16:18Jon DrukmanAt 3:49 AM 6/20/96, James Skilton wrote: >One of the tracks on FSOLs "Far out son of Lung"
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At 3:49 AM 6/20/96, James Skilton wrote:
quoted 2 lines One of the tracks on FSOLs "Far out son of Lung" is a hip-hop beat in>One of the tracks on FSOLs "Far out son of Lung" is a hip-hop beat in >3/4
i don't know about that, but the *track* "far out son of long and the ramblings of a madman" is in 6.