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1996-06-11 19:15Zenon M. Feszczak (idm) Spoken Word Content: Asking for Trouble?
├─ 1996-06-12 18:18James Skilton Re: (idm) Spoken Word Content: Asking for Trouble?
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1996-06-11 19:15Zenon M. FeszczakHello . . . I would be curious to hear opinions on spoken word content in music - ambient,
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Hello . . . I would be curious to hear opinions on spoken word content in music - ambient, dub, techno, idm, and so on. I usually find spoken word content annoying, exasperating, or even infuriating. I remember studying in my first year at university, accompanied by the radio in the next room. Under the duress of impending physics finals, I recall hurling a chemistry textbook (finally - a useful chemistry text!) through the door during incessant babbling blathering elephant-talk auto-race ads. Direct hit, and the euphoria of silence. Now my physics problems could attack my defenseless mind unimpeded. (Not to worry, the radio was indestructible, and survived endless such misadventures. My mind is another issue.) At any rate, I almost never listen to commercial radio, exactly because I despise the psychological effects of advertising. This is a sort of aesthetic Puritanism, I suppose. I have this dread that my final thoughts in this world will be some repeating advertising jingle. This would be the ultimate post-modern poetic injustice. Music is the soundtrack to one's life - would you prefer Eno, Tchaikovsky, the Future Sound of London, or the McDonald's jingle? Hearing speech - particularly the grating offensive anti-intellectual lowest-common-denominator speech of most advertising - directly interferes with the thought process, not to mention the creative process. When forced to listen to the radio in the car (well, it _is_ impossible to drive without music, and occasionally all one's cassettes do get stolen), I am an incessant station-surfer (much to my girlfriend's dismay), hitting the "seek" button after just milliseconds of advertising or an evil song. In fact, I've learned to predict whether an advertisement or song, or even a good song or a malevolent song, will follow, just by the tone of the DJ's voice. Anyway, onto ambient / techno music and the spoken-word groove. Sorry, Josh Wink, I know you're my homeboy, but I just can't get into it. Especially with ambient music, which I often wish to experience at the peripheries of consciousness, while the main current of my mind is heavy into other channels. The sudden intrusion of spoken-word material at such a moment may as well be a jackhammer, for all its disruptive effects. There are exceptions, of course: If the voice is particularly aesthetic (such as the spoken word content on G.O.L. and other cuts in the Ambient Dub series, or in certain Orb cuts); if the voice speaks in a language in which I am not fluent (the Japanese spoken word material in Sakamoto and so on); if the voice is just seamlessly blended in with the music as another instrument; or if the voice is just a complete riot, like William S. Burroughs on "Words of Advice": "If, after talking to someone, you feel as if have just lost a quart of plasma - avoid that person." Anyway, I realize that many must disagree with my critical views on spoken-word content. But let's keep this flame-war civil. I would be interested to hear reasoned contrasting views, and perhaps the discussion would be elucidating for others as well. Perhaps I am more of a classicist than I had even surmised. I do demand that the truest "music" as an art form be beautiful - though I define this term in a rather broad sense. That is, a free jazz cut, a hard trance track, a Rachmaninov concerto, or a noise experiment can all be equally beautiful. Perhaps my standard is that there exist at least an internal aesthetic to the music. Actually, the boundaries are beyond just beauty, because I love the decidedly un-beautiful paintings of Francis Bacon. Then - perhaps this a demand for non-triviality, of an artful avoidance of kitsch. A sample of an obnoxious irritating advertising drone becomes simply an obnoxious irritating droning sample. Perhaps I have simply not come across the right example, the artful use of kitsch. But my patience is thin - I listen to and create music to seek / define a level of consciousness beyond the mundane and trivial. Whether I succeed or not is another matter, but the intention is as stated. Most spoken-word content seems to undermine this effort. Feel free to attempt to convert this heathen - politely, though, please. It's been one hell of a life. Zenon M. Feszczak Ambient Physicist P.S. Then again, I can't deal with rap anymore either.
1996-06-12 18:18James SkiltonZenon M. Feszczak wrote on Tue, 11 Jun 96 20:15:52 BST : > Hearing speech - particularly t
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Zenon M. Feszczak wrote on Tue, 11 Jun 96 20:15:52 BST :
quoted 10 lines Hearing speech - particularly the grating offensive anti-intellectual> Hearing speech - particularly the grating offensive anti-intellectual > lowest-common-denominator speech of most advertising - directly interferes > with the thought process, not to mention the creative process. When > forced to listen to the radio in the car (well, it _is_ impossible to drive > without music, and occasionally all one's cassettes do get stolen), I am an > incessant station-surfer (much to my girlfriend's dismay), hitting the > "seek" button after just milliseconds of advertising or an evil song. In > fact, I've learned to predict whether an advertisement or song, or even a > good song or a malevolent song, will follow, just by the tone of the DJ's > voice.
I cannot hope to match your eloquent essay, but your thoughts on radio, and commercial radio in particular, closely mirror mine. I too rarely listen to the radio, and I too channel-surf for music when forced to use the radio in my car. It's been a long time since I've needed to do this, but I usually used to end up on Radio 3 (non-commercial national classical station with minimal spoken involvement, at least on most of their programming. I think to an extent, I have the same problem with any form of vocals in music. The more a track tries to be a "song" the less I appreciate it, though this is a broad rule of thumb, not a specific observation which applies to any given track. I often listen "through" vocals to the track underneath, and perhaps this is where "pop" goes wrong for me - there is more repetition and less subtlety in the track under your average song than in an intentional instrumental track (As opposed to inst. versions of songs). And by not listening to the lyrics I am "missing out" on something. My loss I suppose, in respect of those tracks where this happens. I personally can't hardly think of any tracks where spoken word has evoked in me the response it has in you - almost invariably it seems to be a neatly spliced element of an ambient track, with the exception of that McKenna chap on the Dreamfish stuff as an example. That voice just bugs me. well, just some random ramblings, I think I've lost my own thread. [send] J ^ James C Skilton Product QA Technician Tel: +44 121 703 3000 Firefox International Email: jamess@firefox.co.uk
1996-06-13 23:09Alphabet DesignI only have one thing to say: The Aloof's society and William Orbit's Montok point. (Monto
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I only have one thing to say: The Aloof's society and William Orbit's Montok point. (Montok point still gives me chill bumps and I have played it about a billion times.) Jasonosaj ____________________________________________________________________________ J a s o n A. H u t t o | a l p h a b e t @ w s n e t . c o m Owner - Sole Employee - Janitor | http :/ / www . wsnet . com / ~ alphabet Alphabet Publishing & Design | Home of : Brother Alphabet's Evergrowing 2167 Campbell Road - Suite B | List Of Bad Ads Montgomery, AL 3 6 1 1 1 | -> Check it out if you loathe your T.V.!