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1996-06-04 21:44Fresh/Gonzi Merchan (idm) Re: lines 'n' stuff (plus bonus meat beat 'n' download review)
1996-06-07 05:08Christopher Miller (idm) Re: lines 'n' stuff (plus bonus meat beat 'n' download review)
└─ 1996-06-09 01:04Greg Earle (idm) Re: lines 'n' stuff (plus bonus meat beat 'n' download review)
└─ 1996-06-09 22:12Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) Re: lines 'n' stuff (plus bonus meat beat 'n' download review)
1996-06-10 16:33Jon Drukman Re: (idm) Re: lines 'n' stuff (plus bonus meat beat 'n' download review)
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1996-06-04 21:44Fresh/Gonzi Merchan> Actually Gonzalo, what in the hell are you basing this on >anyway? > What can I say? I j
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quoted 3 lines Actually Gonzalo, what in the hell are you basing this on> Actually Gonzalo, what in the hell are you basing this on >anyway? >
What can I say? I just don't like Meat Beat Manifesto. I've never been all that impressed with anything they've done. Some of the stuff people where throwing around in defense of MBM was a little out there, but I'm not saying they're a horrible band or anything, what do I know? They're just not to my taste....leather pants and all (hehe, I know, I know. Just kidding). /""'' /"'RESH Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA
1996-06-07 05:08Christopher MillerOn Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded: > What's wrong with chaos in a techno/idm context
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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded:
quoted 4 lines What's wrong with chaos in a techno/idm context? Flex your ears man!> What's wrong with chaos in a techno/idm context? Flex your ears man! > Abandon the dance for a time, just sit back and let your head spin. > Sometimes nothing is more satisfying than struggling to grab onto some > kind of solid foundation. But that's just me.
Right on. Why does all `good' electronica have to be either danceable (count those bpms boys and girls) or ambient? My favorite stuff are hyperactive weird-as-fuck songs I could NEVER see people dancing to or chilling out by. Break down those boring boundaries! soahc. .-. qp; christopher miller == evil@digital.net ' on now: "60" by SILVER SOUND (aka Atom Heart)
1996-06-09 01:04Greg Earle> On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded: > >> What's wrong with chaos in a techno/idm co
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quoted 11 lines On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded:> On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded: > >> What's wrong with chaos in a techno/idm context? Flex your ears man! >> Abandon the dance for a time, just sit back and let your head spin. >> Sometimes nothing is more satisfying than struggling to grab onto some >> kind of solid foundation. But that's just me. > > Right on. Why does all `good' electronica have to be either > danceable (count those bpms boys and girls) or ambient? My favorite stuff > are hyperactive weird-as-fuck songs I could NEVER see people dancing to or > chilling out by. Break down those boring boundaries!
Uhm ... have either of you (Mark or Christopher) even *heard* the Download? Having seen both Throbbing Gristle live as well as Masonna, and having bands like Violent Onsen Geisha and Hanatarash lining my shelves, I think I'm more than well versed in Chaos, thank you. There's organized Chaos - Jesus & Mary Chain's "Psychocandy", for example - and there's meandering, aimless Chaos. The early Download material contains aimless Chaos. There are songs which I'd describe as nothing more than R2D2 gone mad. This isn't constructive ear flexing boundary-breaking stuff, it's just randomness. I think I know the difference by now. - Greg
1996-06-09 22:12Mark KolmarNothing is random. Or rather nothing is more random than anything else. You can create a s
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Nothing is random. Or rather nothing is more random than anything else. You can create a series of numbers which looks and smells completely random using a very simple deterministic formula. If anything appears random to you, it is only that you are so far unable to discern the pattern. The fact that Hanatarash and VOG line your shelves does tell me more of where you are coming from. I lean toward Merzbow, Aube or John Duncan as that sort of thing goes. Your description of Download as R2D2 gone mad is apt, but it is by no means aimless. How would you know order if you ever saw it if not for chaos? How would you know quiet and rest if not for noise and turmoil? Read the liner notes for The Eyes of Stanley Pain. A French philosopher has made this point better than I. --Mark -- "We invented machines in order to reduce our work. Now that we have them, we think we should go on working." -- John Cage On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote:
quoted 15 lines On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded:> > On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded: > >> What's wrong with chaos in a techno/idm context? Flex your ears man! > >> Abandon the dance for a time, just sit back and let your head spin. > >> Sometimes nothing is more satisfying than struggling to grab onto some > >> kind of solid foundation. But that's just me. > > Having seen both Throbbing Gristle live as well as Masonna, and having bands > like Violent Onsen Geisha and Hanatarash lining my shelves, I think I'm more > than well versed in Chaos, thank you. There's organized Chaos - Jesus & Mary > Chain's "Psychocandy", for example - and there's meandering, aimless Chaos. > > The early Download material contains aimless Chaos. There are songs which I'd > describe as nothing more than R2D2 gone mad. This isn't constructive ear > flexing boundary-breaking stuff, it's just randomness. I think I know the > difference by now.
1996-06-10 16:33Jon DrukmanAt 3:12 PM 6/9/96, Mark Kolmar wrote: >Your description of Download as R2D2 gone mad is >a
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At 3:12 PM 6/9/96, Mark Kolmar wrote:
quoted 2 lines Your description of Download as R2D2 gone mad is>Your description of Download as R2D2 gone mad is >apt, but it is by no means aimless.
it may be done with a purpose and direction but if so it is not apparent to me after multiple listenings, and i don't find it particularly rewarding to listen to.
quoted 2 lines Read the liner notes for The Eyes of Stanley Pain. A French philosopher>Read the liner notes for The Eyes of Stanley Pain. A French philosopher >has made this point better than I.
yes the quote is nice but i find it pretty odd given how much more structured and un-random-sounding TEOSP is! besides, chaos within a rigid structure is always far more interesting to me than just plain chaos for the sake of it. -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/