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1996-06-07 22:19Jon DrukmanAt 11:29 AM 6/7/96, pH wrote: >I agree that FSOL came up with a new sound but I think the

From:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:19:59 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) FSOL (waking up a dead dog)

At 11:29 AM 6/7/96, pH wrote:

quoted 2 lines I agree that FSOL came up with a new sound but I think the question is

>I agree that FSOL came up with a new sound but I think the question is >whether what's going on in Lifeforms really contitutes something new.

can someone parse this sentence into english for me?

quoted 2 lines All

>All >the sampling/manipulation that's used is nothing new

so, who else has done anything approaching that level of textural detail?

quoted 3 lines This I have to agree with by all means but anything not made by some kid

>This I have to agree with by all means but anything not made by some kid >on his power mac, ie anything produced at high volume's gonna sound better >at that same high volume.

do you know anything about music production?

1996-06-07 22:47Lee Fogel> >All > >the sampling/manipulation that's used is nothing new Jon: > so, who else has don

From:: Lee Fogel <lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM>
To:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 7 Jun 96 15:47:08 PDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) FSOL (waking up a dead dog)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) FSOL (waking up a dead dog)

quoted 2 lines All

> >All > >the sampling/manipulation that's used is nothing new

Jon:

quoted 1 line so, who else has done anything approaching that level of textural detail?

> so, who else has done anything approaching that level of textural detail?

I would say that for its time, Pink Floyd's DSOTM is comparable, and represented a bigger breakthrough in production quality than Lifeforms I would also say that the production quality and sound textures of DSOTM are used to achieve a more well-defined musical statement, while I find much of Lifeforms to be sound production for the sake of sound production. That isn't a criticism, BTW. I love becoming absorbed in sound textures. Lifeforms may not achieve an overall musical statement for me, but it sure is wonderful to listen to. Lee _________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1996-06-08 01:22pHMr. Drukman retorted: > >I agree that FSOL came up with a new sound but I think the questi

From:: pH <heninger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:22:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) fucking a dead dog.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) FSOL (waking up a dead dog)

Mr. Drukman retorted:

quoted 4 lines I agree that FSOL came up with a new sound but I think the question is

> >I agree that FSOL came up with a new sound but I think the question is > >whether what's going on in Lifeforms really contitutes something new. > > can someone parse this sentence into english for me?

It's english or pretty close as far as I can tell. I be happy to field specific questions about the sentence.

quoted 4 lines All

> >All > >the sampling/manipulation that's used is nothing new > > so, who else has done anything approaching that level of textural detail?

There's a actually quite a few people who broke ground in sampling and manipulation about 80 years ago...as soon as I find the books I have on it I'll post the titles...they're really quite interesting. More recently there's been more so called avant-garde classical doing the very same thing for years. Probably not an the same textural tip, I agree. My question was does Lifeforms do anything but create texture for its own sake. That's been done and redone sans all the sampling glitz for centuries.

quoted 6 lines This I have to agree with by all means but anything not made by some kid

> >This I have to agree with by all means but anything not made by some kid > >on his power mac, ie anything produced at high volume's gonna sound better > >at that same high volume. > > do you know anything about music production? >

Probably a great deal more than you think judging from your kind of sad little prodding. Had a bad day did we? My point about Lifeforms and this applies to no other of FSOL's releases is this: I have listened top those two cd's a number of times since they came out and I am impressed with the ammount of equipment and quality of equipment they must have used to produce it and am impressed by some of their ideas. I have never though, really enjoyed Lifeforms as I do a lot of other music. It has always seemed to me to be an attempt to push the envelope which is, as most such attempt's are, a rehash of a lot of other things whic came before it. It is therefore kind of disappointing to me. Given the ammount of time and effort it seems was put into those tracks I would have been elated if they really did show us a whole new place to go. I doesn't This is my last word on this issue...For a while I'll just review the new records I get so as to stay outta trouble. style, style, style: paul.

1996-06-09 10:10James B GillOn Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Jon Drukman wrote: > At 11:29 AM 6/7/96, pH wrote: > >I agree that FSO

From:: James B Gill <jgill@U.Arizona.EDU>
To:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:10:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) FSOL (waking up a dead dog)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) FSOL (waking up a dead dog)

On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 5 lines At 11:29 AM 6/7/96, pH wrote:

> At 11:29 AM 6/7/96, pH wrote: > >I agree that FSOL came up with a new sound but I think the question is > >whether what's going on in Lifeforms really contitutes something new. > > can someone parse this sentence into english for me?

he means "constitutes" you snob. Quit frontin' on the ghetto slang me and mah homeies use James Benjamin Gill-----jgill@u.arizona.edu********************************** JUST BOUGHT EGYPTIAN LOVER'S GREATEST HITS, AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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