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1996-05-30 13:16Andrew Cowper (idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.
└─ 1996-05-30 21:39Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.
1996-06-02 23:20GEOTRAX Re: (idm) Amen breaks and St
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1996-05-30 13:16Andrew CowperTom Churchill <tom@chrchfam.demon.co.uk> reckons... > It also appears in the original form
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Tom Churchill <tom@chrchfam.demon.co.uk> reckons...
quoted 5 lines It also appears in the original form on NWA's 'Straight Outta> It also appears in the original form on NWA's 'Straight Outta >Compton' and the original is taken from the b-side of 'Amen, Brother' by >the Winstons. You'll recognise it instantly as soon as you figure out >which one it is - it's *the* most used break in jungle. Now you've just >got to spot the 'helicopter' and 'apache' breaks...
All this talk of classic breaks has got me thinking... Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds out of a drum machine? Me and a mate sometimes get together and make tunes, and we had a go at some jungle but the beats ended up sounding pretty poor and repetitive. I reckon to get anything like the complexity of the breaks in say a Photek tune out of single shot samples would take forever. So do any obsessives actually do this, or do they all work by sampling and rearranging existing breaks? Anyone know/got any thoughts? Cheers Andrew C.
1996-05-30 21:39Mark Kolmar> Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds > out of a drum machine?
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quoted 2 lines Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds> Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds > out of a drum machine? Me and a mate sometimes get together and make tunes,
quoted 3 lines So do any obsessives actually do> So do any obsessives actually do > this, or do they all work by sampling and rearranging existing breaks? > Anyone know/got any thoughts?
You can cut and paste MIDI data. Depending on how your sequencer works, you might be able to put together a few short sequences which are in themselves not a continuous beat, but can be layered together to create different beats from different combinations. You can even process the audio to add grit and grime. I've never sampled a snippet of drumming any longer than about a second or two. To some extent I keep myself ignorant of jungle and d'n'b, so that only the -idea- of jungle and d'n'b influences me, not others' work. --Mark Kolmar
1996-06-02 23:20GEOTRAXHi! On 30-05-96, Andrew wrote... AC>All this talk of classic breaks has got me thinking...
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Hi! On 30-05-96, Andrew wrote... AC>All this talk of classic breaks has got me thinking... AC>Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds AC>out of a drum machine? It's not really common, because any break you make with say, an 808 is still going to sound like an 808 loop unless you do some heavy duty processing on it. But, look at Sarcacid 2 or Port Rhombus by Squarepusher and you'll see lots of drum machine lines (probably 909) seamlessly integrated with the sampled breaks. Drum machine hi-hats are used quite a lot with breakbeats though. AC>I reckon to get anything like the complexity of the breaks in say a AC>Photek tune out of single shot samples would take forever. I'm pretty sure Photek does indeed make his drum lines from single shots - there are usually too many variations in the drum lines for them to come from a single loop. I'm sure the likes of Plug, Photek and Squarepusher do take an age to compose their drum lines, which is one of the main reasons why I like the records so much. It's a million miles away from the chance music and loops of something like Fax, though I'm sure we could argue forever about their relative merits... AC>So do any obsessives actually do AC>this, or do they all work by sampling and rearranging existing breaks? AC>Anyone know/got any thoughts? You can still cut up and use single shots from classic breaks, as I've done with breaks like Amen. Though the best path to take in my opinion is to sample single hits from new sources (you can get them from any source, from country to heavy metal, it really doesnt matter) and make brand new breaks. It's the only way breakbeat and Jungle can progress and stay fresh. Cheers, SjaY. *Fido* 2:250/151 *E-Mail* Geotrax@jukjoint.warp.co.uk ... 'Kauna' - Aquasky ___ * UniQWK v4.1 * The Windows Mail Reader