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1996-05-28 13:58James SkiltonOK I've been wanting to ask someone this a long time, and it's a breaks question, not an i

From:: James Skilton <JAMESS@firefox.co.uk>
To:: idm <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 28 May 96 14:58:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: (idm) Amen brother

OK I've been wanting to ask someone this a long time, and it's a breaks question, not an idm question, but I know some of you will know.. Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep turning up over and over and over and between them make up over half of all d&b tracks, even the "intelligent" stuff (and are even recognisable from the hip hop and "rare groove" stuff from the late 80s), but I don't know which one is "amen". Can someone point me to some tracks, preferably off Artcore I, R&S IOTD6, or Jungle Renegades Vol 1, which use it, and put me out of my misery? tia James ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - steady-j@firefox.co.uk

1996-05-29 09:42Edward Pond>Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep >turning up over and ov

From:: Edward Pond <100550.2422@CompuServe.COM>
To:: James Skilton <JAMESS@firefox.co.uk>
Cc:: IDM Mailing List <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: 29 May 96 05:42:48 EDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) Amen brother

quoted 7 lines Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep

>Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep >turning up over and over and over and between them make up over half >of all d&b tracks, even the "intelligent" stuff (and are even >recognizable from the hip hop and "rare groove" stuff from the late >80s), but I don't know which one is "amen". Can someone point me to >some tracks, preferably off Artcore I, R&S IOTD6, or Jungle >Renegades Vol 1, which use it, and put me out of my misery?

To me, it's the break that makes 'jungle'. If you can think of a breakbeat track that keeps using a really characteristic snare drum, maybe played at different pitches, then it's almost definitely from the amen break. I don't have any of the named compilations, but a lot of Krome and Time's stuff (eg. Licence) uses it. It's also the breakbeat used in the theme to 'The Sunday Show' (is that still on?) and the O-zone! My favourite use though is when Source Direct use it (eg. Secret Liaison on Good Looking). I hope this has helped -Ed

1996-05-30 07:57Sugatis & Co>>Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep >>turning up over and

From:: Sugatis & Co <sugatis@inreach.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:57:03 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) Amen brother

quoted 5 lines Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep

>>Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep >>turning up over and over and over and between them make up over half >>of all d&b tracks, even the "intelligent" stuff >If you can think of a breakbeat >track that keeps using a really characteristic snare drum

Yeah, I know exactly what you are talking about... try listening to the flip side of form and function vol. 1 by Photek, I do believe the break that dominates the track is probably the one you are speaking of... it has a very "characteristic" snare as mentioned, and sounds like the same basic break (though cut up differently) as found in countless other d&b records.

1996-05-30 21:30Mark KolmarI have not listened to almost any Jungle or Drum'n'Bass. I'm not familiar with the much-lo

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@ccs.nslsilus.org>
To:: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:30:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Amen brother
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Amen brother

I have not listened to almost any Jungle or Drum'n'Bass. I'm not familiar with the much-loved Plug 1 & 2. But I do understand the general idea. Is it common for programmers to cut up and break and paste it back together to make one new beat? Or do the programmers generally slice things up and piece them back together in numerous combinations? I often do the latter (though not really in a d'n'b context), however the most common complaint from others is the tracks are too complex and hard to follow with the beats and everything changing and shifting around all the time. --Mark Kolmar On Thu, 30 May 1996, Sugatis & Co wrote:

quoted 7 lines Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep

> >>Which break is the "amen" break? I know about 3 breaks which keep > >>turning up over and over and over and between them make up over half > > a very "characteristic" snare as mentioned, and sounds like the same basic > break (though cut up differently) as found in countless other d&b records. > >

(idm) Amen brother