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1996-04-20 09:24John BusHi, > With Techno music having evolved so rapidly - FAR more >rapidly than any music assoc

From:: John Bus <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 19:24:49 +1000 (EST)
Subject:: (idm) Techno has been around for ages

Hi,

quoted 6 lines With Techno music having evolved so rapidly - FAR more

> With Techno music having evolved so rapidly - FAR more >rapidly than any music associated with any subculture I've been involved with >in the past 20+ years - it will be interesting to see what stuff lasts well >after its present-tense "Man, that takes me right back to Ibiza" or "Wow I >can almost taste that E I was on when I heard <this track> at <that rave>" >context has disappeared

I don't think you're right in using an all encompassing word such as "techno"... Kraftwerk were doing there best stuff around the time of the Sex Pistols, ie, 20 years ago and what else would you call it but techno! Basically I don't thing it's evolved rapidly at all. Progressed yes with all its little off shoots but not evolved so rapidly. As it happens I was actually listening to my early Kraftwerk cds and they sound as fresh as when I first heard them, especially against the likes of some of these retro-electro artists. Regards, John

1996-04-20 09:45Daniel LondonA while back someone posted the track listing and release date for the new Fila Brazilla a

From:: Daniel London <dlondon@coventry.ac.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:45:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: (idm) Fila Brazillia....
Reply to:: (idm) Techno has been around for ages

A while back someone posted the track listing and release date for the new Fila Brazilla album on Pork Recordings can someone tell me the release date for this album!? Cheers...

1996-04-20 13:58Danny RyanOn Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:45:43 +0100 (BST), you wrote: >A while back someone posted the trac

From:: Danny Ryan <danny@kudos.demon.co.uk>
To:: Daniel London <dlondon@coventry.ac.uk>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 13:58:39 GMT
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fila Brazillia....
Reply to:: (idm) Fila Brazillia....

On Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:45:43 +0100 (BST), you wrote:

quoted 3 lines A while back someone posted the track listing and release date for the

>A while back someone posted the track listing and release date for the >new Fila Brazilla album on Pork Recordings can someone tell me the >release date for this album!?

The UK release date is Monday week (29 April) It's already out on export - Danny _______________________ .' `. | ---\ | Kudos Records Limited | -----\ ---\ | Unit 1, Canada House | \--\ ----\ | Blackburn Road | ----------\ | London NW6 1RZ | --\ ---\ | | --\ ---\ | PH: 071 372 0391 | --\ ----\ | FX: 071 372 0392 | | E-mail danny@kudos.demon.co.uk `._______________________.'

1996-04-20 21:34Greg Earle>> With Techno music having evolved so rapidly - FAR more rapidly than any >> music associ

From:: Greg Earle <earle@isolar.tujunga.ca.us>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:34:14 -0700
Subject:: (idm) Re: Techno has been around for ages
Reply to:: (idm) Techno has been around for ages

quoted 10 lines With Techno music having evolved so rapidly - FAR more rapidly than any

>> With Techno music having evolved so rapidly - FAR more rapidly than any >> music associated with any subculture I've been involved with >> in the past 20+ years - it will be interesting to see what stuff lasts well >> after its present-tense "Man, that takes me right back to Ibiza" or "Wow I >> can almost taste that E I was on when I heard <this track> at <that rave>" >> context has disappeared > > I don't think you're right in using an all encompassing word such as > "Techno" ... Kraftwerk were doing their best stuff around the time of the > Sex Pistols, i.e., 20 years ago and what else would you call it but Techno!

I wouldn't call their old work "Techno", it's more like "Electronic" that is the roots of what we *now know today* as "Techno". I was using the term "Techno" in the current-day (context, context (-: ) vernacular.

quoted 2 lines Basically I don't think it's evolved rapidly at all. Progressed yes, with

> Basically I don't think it's evolved rapidly at all. Progressed yes, with > all its little off shoots, but not evolved so rapidly.

I think grabbing Kraftwerk as a singularity and using that as a basis for your evaluation is specious at best. I stand by my claim. There have been times in the past 5 years where the music of time N was already "obsolete" by the time N+6 months. I've never seen such a fast period of change in musical genres like that. The music of 1996 doesn't remotely sound like the music of 1991 to my ears. 1991-1992 Techno music almost sounds "quaint" now.

quoted 3 lines As it happens I was actually listening to my early Kraftwerk CDs and they

> As it happens I was actually listening to my early Kraftwerk CDs and they > sound as fresh as when I first heard them, especially against the likes of > some of these retro-Electro artists.

Again, a specious comparison. Why compare it against the people who are *deliberately* trying to do something which is a re-creation/evolution of that which came before it, i.e. Nuevo Electro? - Greg

1996-04-22 01:48John BusHi Greg, >> I don't think you're right in using an all encompassing word such as >> "Techn

From:: John Bus <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:48:23 +1000
Subject:: Re: (idm) Techno has been around for ages

Hi Greg,

quoted 7 lines I don't think you're right in using an all encompassing word such as

>> I don't think you're right in using an all encompassing word such as >> "Techno" ... Kraftwerk were doing their best stuff around the time of the >> Sex Pistols, i.e., 20 years ago and what else would you call it but Techno! > >I wouldn't call their old work "Techno", it's more like "Electronic" that >is the roots of what we *now know today* as "Techno". I was using the term >"Techno" in the current-day (context, context (-: ) vernacular.

Didn't they or YMO actually coin the phrase... "techno"!?

quoted 5 lines Basically I don't think it's evolved rapidly at all. Progressed yes, with

>> Basically I don't think it's evolved rapidly at all. Progressed yes, with >> all its little off shoots, but not evolved so rapidly. > >I think grabbing Kraftwerk as a singularity and using that as a basis for >your evaluation is specious at best.

Definitely not a singularity... YMO, AON, Yello and the likes spring to mind freely.

quoted 5 lines I stand by my claim. There have been times in the past 5 years where the

>I stand by my claim. There have been times in the past 5 years where the >music of time N was already "obsolete" by the time N+6 months. I've never >seen such a fast period of change in musical genres like that. The music >of 1996 doesn't remotely sound like the music of 1991 to my ears. 1991-1992 >Techno music almost sounds "quaint" now.

Music only becomes obsolete for the trendy, fashion, trainspotters amongst the idm community. 1991-92 2 of my all-time favourite tracks were released PNG and Didgeridoo. Neither sound dated to this pair of ears.

quoted 3 lines Again, a specious comparison. Why compare it against the people who are

>Again, a specious comparison. Why compare it against the people who are >*deliberately* trying to do something which is a re-creation/evolution of >that which came before it, i.e. Nuevo Electro?

Maybe, but why do it again... one reason is that it was good and they want to go back and find the 'goodness' in it. You don't do that to things that are obsolete... do you? Regards, John /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ | JOHN BUS (aka. JOHNNY TURBO) | | SNAIL - Digital Access Records | | PO Box 1838 Macquarie 2113 Australia | | EMAIL - John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/

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