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1996-03-05 15:09'Nick....'i've just had a thought, actually copyright doesn't exist as law in some countries, there'

From:: 'Nick....' <ndavey@essex.ac.uk>
To:: <idm%hyperreal.com@essex.ac.uk>
Date:: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:09:01 GMT
Subject:: (idm) oops it's about bootlegging again.

i've just had a thought, actually copyright doesn't exist as law in some countries, there's no such thing as world copyright....usually countries with an un-established legal system, if you bootlegged in one of these countries, although i doubt whether they have CD factories or Vinyl presses, then it'd not illegal. It'll be illegal to import the bootleg, but not to actually do it. If however you bought a bootleg in one of these countries and brought it back to UK/USA fpr personal listening pleasure, i'm not sure if that's illegal. Nick...

1996-03-05 20:22Julius anthony MartinezOn Tue, 5 Mar 1996, 'Nick....' wrote: > i've just had a thought, actually copyright doesn'

From:: Julius anthony Martinez <martinez@mail.sdsu.edu>
To:: 'Nick....' <ndavey@essex.ac.uk>
Cc:: <idm%hyperreal.com@essex.ac.uk>
Date:: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:22:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) oops it's about bootlegging again.
Reply to:: (idm) oops it's about bootlegging again.

On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, 'Nick....' wrote:

quoted 2 lines i've just had a thought, actually copyright doesn't exist as

> i've just had a thought, actually copyright doesn't exist as > law in some countries, there's no such thing as world

Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws? I know they are a major source of bootleg releases and I have been told by more than one person the copyright laws with regard to producing bootleg material there are very loose. (Or maybe they have been in the past...not sure what the current situation is). Tony

1996-03-06 12:56Alessandro Bianchini>Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws? I know I don't know

From:: Alessandro Bianchini <bianchini@ibm.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 13:56:01 +0100
Subject:: Re: (idm) oops it's about bootlegging again.

quoted 1 line Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws? I know

>Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws? I know

I don't know about the laws themselves (but laws don't count that much here anyway :), but I surely never found a bootlegged CD for sale in a store. What you're probably referring to is the "Rent-a-CD" phenomenon -- you can basically rent a CD for $2 or so for a coupla days. When renting was outlawed, all those Renting stores changed policy, and instead of letting you borrow a CD for 2 days for $2, they will sell it to you for $20 and then buy it back 2 days later for $18. Funny how the same stores seem to sell millions of gazillions of blank tapes, too! A. -- Alessandro Bianchini bianchini@ibm.net +39 368 3190200 bianchin@librs6k.vatlib.it

1996-03-06 17:40Lazlo Nibble> Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws? They were; they rec

From:: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com>
To:: Intelligent Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:40:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) oops it's about bootlegging again.

quoted 1 line Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws?

> Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws?

They were; they recently changed their laws under international pressure, though. (They give much less copyright protection on live performances than most international copyright conventions prefer, hence the many many grey-market live discs out of Italy over the past few years.) Real BOOTLEG bootlegs, on the other hand, were no more legal in Italy than anywhere else, so that market isn't going to be affect much by changes in that country. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

1996-03-07 06:38Julius anthony MartinezOn Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > Isn't Italy one of the countries with less res

From:: Julius anthony Martinez <martinez@mail.sdsu.edu>
To:: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com>
Cc:: Intelligent Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:38:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) oops it's about bootlegging again.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) oops it's about bootlegging again.

On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

quoted 10 lines Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws?

> > Isn't Italy one of the countries with less restrictive bootleg laws? > > They were; they recently changed their laws under international pressure, > though. (They give much less copyright protection on live performances than > most international copyright conventions prefer, hence the many many > grey-market live discs out of Italy over the past few years.) > > Real BOOTLEG bootlegs, on the other hand, were no more legal in Italy than > anywhere else, so that market isn't going to be affect much by changes in > that country.

Are you sure about that? Quite a few years ago there were lots of pirate copies of LP's by Throbbing Gristle and 23 Skidoo that were produced in Italy. Really *blatant* pirate editions of standard issue LP's such as "3rd Annual report" etc.(not live Lp's) produced by Base Records. The word going around at the time was that TG couldn't do anything about it because of the laws in Italy at that time with respect to bootlegs. Of course the situation could very well have changed since that time. Tony

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