179,854Messages
9,130Senders
30Years
342mboxes

← archive index

Re: (idm) Fwd: Re: Why no promos...

3 messages · 2 participants · spans 1 day · search this subject
1996-03-04 20:41Dave Walker (idm) Fwd: Re: Why no promos...
1996-03-04 22:44Eric Hill Re: (idm) Fwd: Re: Why no promos...
1996-03-05 01:11Dave Walker Re: (idm) Fwd: Re: Why no promos...
expand allcollapse allclick any summary to toggle that message
1996-03-04 20:41Dave Walkeroops, meant to send this to the list --- Eric Hill <ehill@best.com> said: :I see the smae
From:
Dave Walker
To:
IDM List
Date:
4 Mar 96 15:41:47 -0500
Subject:
(idm) Fwd: Re: Why no promos...
permalink · <AD60BFC4-57D0E@198.108.17.21>
oops, meant to send this to the list --- Eric Hill <ehill@best.com> said: :I see the smae things the radio promo requesters want already happening with :_any_ size record label and the white labels they give to DJs for the same :reasons that the radio DJ wants them. The mechanisms are already in place, :by and large, through the fact that they've already got bunches of DJs :houning them for the new stuff. Conversely to the personal resentments about :weasels at the station corralling all service for feeding their local used :shop, I have jet set DJ friends who give me the whites that they don't like :all the time. I may get shot for saying this, but I still think (for small labels) that aggressive promo-ing is time and money better spent elsewhere. I'd rather labels spent their energy and limited funds getting the tracks out and distributed, rather than trying to convince the PD at WEFUNK [spot the reference :) ] to add their newest EP to the playlist. The whole white-label/promo system is a heckuva lot more informal (IMO) than a serious radio promo effort would have to be: Artist A happens to be spinning/performing at a party and hands DJ B his new record. Compare that to "Artist A gets his mailing list out and hauls a big horkin' pile of records down to UPS to be weighed and sent to 100 radio stations..." -d.w. devil's advocate general...
1996-03-04 22:44Eric HillI'm not sure what makes the informality of club-centered whitelabel promo exchange any mor
From:
Eric Hill
To:
Date:
Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:44:22 -0800
Subject:
Re: (idm) Fwd: Re: Why no promos...
permalink · <199603042244.OAA21012@shellx.best.com>
I'm not sure what makes the informality of club-centered whitelabel promo exchange any more desirable than a mailed record (except that maybe it puts the labelmeister in friend/fan positioning, increasing the chances of playage ;-), but the original poster in this thread was lamenting the (previously problematized) fact that independent/college radio DJs, who tend to be the only media outlet for this music, can't get the promo material they want which is rather available to club DJs, and is not likely to be requested by major market radio stations (Ken Ishii on Live 105, yea right!). If it is in fact a predilection toward certain forms of advertising over others, then let it be known. I don't think that servicing (what a wacky oral-sex metaphor) radio DJs who request this stuff imply that the labels will have to pester any other stations for exposure or build a roster any longer than they make for the club DJs that they build promotional relationships with. eric
1996-03-05 01:11Dave WalkerEric Hill said: :I'm not sure what makes the informality of club-centered whitelabel promo
From:
Dave Walker
To:
IDM List
Date:
4 Mar 96 20:11:43 -0500
Subject:
Re: (idm) Fwd: Re: Why no promos...
permalink · <AD60FF07-16F25@198.108.17.29>
Eric Hill said: :I'm not sure what makes the informality of club-centered whitelabel promo :exchange any more desirable than a mailed record (except that maybe it puts :the labelmeister in friend/fan positioning, increasing the chances of :playage ;-) Actually, that's sort of what I was thinking. I think promos are fine, as long as the people who get them are actually going to play them. What I'm afraid of, though, is the all too common scenario where a small label's scarce resources are wasted sending records to somebody who's using this months stack of promos to pay off his bar tab. Or my other favorite -- records that sit around uncatalogued in a back room somewhere and never get played. From a "value for promo dollar" standpoint, I think you're better off handing that record to, say, Mixmaster Morris or Claude Young than mailing it to KGRUNGE. How does a label know which stations are worth the investment (WCBN, WZBC!) and which aren't (too many CMJ charting clones to mention...)? : I don't think that servicing (what a :wacky oral-sex metaphor) radio DJs who request this stuff imply that the :labels will have to pester any other stations for exposure or build a roster :any longer than they make for the club DJs that they build promotional :relationships with. I just think that, the current economic model most small electronic labels work under now (i.e. scrimp up enough money to pay for mastering and pressing/duplication, then hope the distributors pay you on time) doesn't leave much room for frills like maintaining a mailing list of radio stations to send free stuff to. Once again, I'd rather see that money going to keep the records out and available in the shops. -d.w.