On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, videla@ucsu.Colorado.EDU wrote:
quoted 6 lines Do you not see that DJing, while being an artform, can be mastered by
> Do you not see that DJing, while being an artform, can be mastered by
> virtually anybody. Neither I nor you will never master the likes of artists
> like
> Aphex, LFO. ORB, (fill in the blank). You and I will never be able to
> imitate these amazing minds that go behind, what I feel is, the greatest
> music in the world.
I would never want to imitate anybody else.
quoted 2 lines I have some analogue pieces, but that doesn't mean I will ever be able to
> I have some analogue pieces, but that doesn't mean I will ever be able to
> do what these amazing minds do.
You never know...have a little faith in yourself Gil.
quoted 3 lines However, if I own the same records and
> However, if I own the same records and
> had a few technical skills (scratching and beatmatching) do you not see
> that I can sound like the same guy that spun last night?
I disagree. A talented DJ is not just one that matches beats, scratches,
and put the needle on the record. A good DJ is somebody that can create
an atmosphere with the music, someone that can take you on an auditory
journey, someone that can tease you and play with your emotions through the
music s/he combines together.
quoted 3 lines The other thing
> The other thing
> that is wrong with putting these DJs on a pedestal is we lose sight of who
> is making the music.
I'd argue that the DJ *is* making music by weaving tracks, elements,
beats and pieces of music together and creating a totally new different
fabric. The DJ is going beyond what's there and creating something new.
That's the difference between a DJ and somebody pressing play or putting
the needle to the record.
quoted 8 lines I went to a rave on New Years eve in LA. During the
> I went to a rave on New Years eve in LA. During the
> set of one DJ, the crowd next was going nuts to a Beaumont Hannant tune
> from Basic Data Manipulation. . . An excellent track, that the DJ was
> famous for playing. Everyone was talking about this guy as soon as his
> set was done. What about Beaumont Hannant himself. He probaably worked
> hours to compose this track (track #2 on basic data manipulation...).The DJ
> only spent a few dollars buying the record and two seconds to put the
> needle on the record.
If that's the only thing the DJ did, then in my opinion s/he was not a very
good one. But if that DJ played that song in her/his own unique way, then I
definitely respect that DJ as an individaul because s/he transended the
original artist and synthesized something new from the original artist's
work.
quoted 5 lines I do not see why some of you IDM'ers who claim to love IDM are not
> I do not see why some of you IDM'ers who claim to love IDM are not
> sickened when DJs are becomming more famous than the artists whose
> records they play. I mean, what the hell is KEOKI doing with three CDs
> out. I have never heard him spin, I will admit that. But he has more CDs
> out on the market than some of the artists we talk about on this group.
I do agre with not idolizing DJs, but then again I also don't believe in
adolizing artists. However, as much I do not care for Keoki's style, he
sells so many C/D's because he offers music that is limited to vinyl to
C/D buyers. He's giving them a marketed bad attitude, with some decent
DJing skills mixing some good songs only availbale in vinyl, in a nice tight
and colorful package for $15.99. Hey...you get what you pay for.
quoted 3 lines Don't you see it as a form of exploitation. the Artists doing the work
> Don't you see it as a form of exploitation. the Artists doing the work
> for the DJ's. It isn't the DJ who is making the people dance you idiots,
> it is the people who wrote and produced the track. ^^^^^^
I don't see it as form of exploitation, and I don't see myself as an
idiot either Gil. I think that music is very marketable, if you are unaware
enough to not ask what track the DJ is playing, then it's your fault.
I've never heard two DJs play the same song the same exact way. I see the
DJ as a postmodern artist taking what the original artist created and
molding it into something different with their own flavor.
quoted 3 lines Would it have made a difference if
> Would it have made a difference if
> I put the needle on the Beaumont record rather than the other DJ. No, the
> crowd would not have noticed a thing! They loved Beaumont's music.
If the DJ was just putting songs on and not *spinning*, then no it would
not have made any difference. For the most part, though, DJ's don't just
put the needle on the record -- not ones that have any talent at least.
quoted 2 lines I am sorry, but there is a big mistake in giving a DJ status and not
> I am sorry, but there is a big mistake in giving a DJ status and not
> giving credit to the ARTISTS.
We should give credit to the ARTISTS, but we should also give credit to
the DJs. Each is doing something different yet similar. There are DJs
that can really take me on an auditory trip, and that's why I go out to
parties and not just dance in my living room.
Take care everybody,
Peter Cevallos
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Better living through Phenethylamines and Tryptamines! :)
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