IDM Mailing Archive

2000-01-29 00:28Peter Hollopedro wrote: > Whenever you read more Joyce and Deleuze you might get it. Or, maybe, when

From:: Peter Hollo <raven@fourplay.com.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:28:52 +1100
Subject:: (idm) Re: EXPLAINING what shouldn't be explained (read this, especially you, alien)

pedro wrote:

quoted 2 lines Whenever you read more Joyce and Deleuze you might get it. Or, maybe, when you

> Whenever you read more Joyce and Deleuze you might get it. Or, maybe, when you > actually READ with attention what is written you will be flooded by meaning.

Well having read (painfully) a fair amount of Deleuze I can vouch for the fact that what little confused meaning there is gets progressively more obscured the more you read. Postmodernist bullshitting of the highest order! I realise that this is being provocative and may spark off yet another heated debate about postmodernism, critical theory, deconstruction, and all the rest. I'm prefectly willing to go into great detail about why I think it's mostly misguided and bad philosophy, but I don't think it's on-topic for this list, so this is all I'll say. Still, I've enjoyed your "diagonal reviews" as a kind of wash of words. They'd never make me go and listen to/buy the music, and don't enlighten me very much about the music, but hey the more reviews of any sort we have on the list the better! Peter. P.S. Yes I should contribute to those reviews. Pretty busy at the moment, but will attempt in a day or two to give some substantial reviews of some releases that have really caught my ear lately: Kid606 & Friends, The Magic Sound of Fenno'berg, Multiphonic Ensemble's Cirque, Mouse Parade's Ramda, and maybe some others... -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au Raven: experimental electronic http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-01-29 18:52Christophe McKeonDeleuze may very well be "bad philosophy", that is hardly a point against him though. The

From:: Christophe McKeon <c.mckeon@rcn.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 13:52:32 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: EXPLAINING what shouldn't be explained (read this, especially you, alien)

Deleuze may very well be "bad philosophy", that is hardly a point against him though. The fact that he becomes more obscure to some, the more they read him is unfortunate. In my experience this has not been the case. Certainly with more enigmatic thinkers more patience and a willingness to allow paradox to work, because paradox is "at work" in the strongest (in contrast to your "bad" philosophy - the thread; Heraclitus/Nietzsche/Deleuze), is necessary. A certain suspension of "reason". I believe it was Bergson who said something to this effect: 'The point of philosophy is to do violence to the mind and it's habits.' In any case the "diagonal" reviews in question are only epidermically Deleuzian. There can't be philosophy without style, but there can be style with out philosophy. I can't comment on Joyce because I haven't read him. To keep the purists happy though, I have a question. Can any body tell me about Richard Thomas? Discogs info anything would be appreciated. Thanks, Christophe Peter Hollo wrote:

quoted 35 lines pedro wrote:

> pedro wrote: > > Whenever you read more Joyce and Deleuze you might get it. Or, maybe, when you > > actually READ with attention what is written you will be flooded by meaning. > > Well having read (painfully) a fair amount of Deleuze I can vouch for the fact > that what little confused meaning there is gets progressively more obscured the > more you read. Postmodernist bullshitting of the highest order! > I realise that this is being provocative and may spark off yet another heated > debate about postmodernism, critical theory, deconstruction, and all the rest. > I'm prefectly willing to go into great detail about why I think it's mostly > misguided and bad philosophy, but I don't think it's on-topic for this list, so > this is all I'll say. > > Still, I've enjoyed your "diagonal reviews" as a kind of wash of words. They'd > never make me go and listen to/buy the music, and don't enlighten me very much > about the music, but hey the more reviews of any sort we have on the list the > better! > Peter. > P.S. Yes I should contribute to those reviews. Pretty busy at the moment, but > will attempt in a day or two to give some substantial reviews of some releases > that have really caught my ear lately: Kid606 & Friends, The Magic Sound of > Fenno'berg, Multiphonic Ensemble's Cirque, Mouse Parade's Ramda, and maybe some > others... > -- > Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html > FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet > http://www.fourplay.com.au > Raven: experimental electronic > http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html > "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and > your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Re: (idm) Re: EXPLAINING what shouldn't be explained (read this, especially you, alien)