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1995-11-29 17:05GDUpon listening to _In Pine Effect_ I noticed that the beat on "Mr. Angry" is very similar

From:: GD <gd@interramp.com>
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Date:: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:05:20 -0500
Subject:: (idm) Recycling

Upon listening to _In Pine Effect_ I noticed that the beat on "Mr. Angry" is very similar to "Metal Thing #1" on _Spatula Freak_. This kind of reminded me of hearing various re-used elements on RDJ's material (e.g. AB4 song #4 uses the rhythm from "The Waxen Pith", and the Polygon Window LP re-uses some AB1 stuff). At what point, then, is the track unique? Isn't it more like a remix than a new track? Obviously if the element being re-used is not integral to the piece, then it's not such a big deal, but I'm not sure I'm keen on the idea of artists using the exact same drum loop or synth line on a different song, adding a few different elements, and calling the track "new". GD

1995-11-29 22:09ozymandias G desiderataI don't know -- if it's inaccurate to just change a few things and then call a track "new"

From:: ozymandias G desiderata <ogd@organic.com>
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Date:: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:09:41 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) Recycling
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I don't know -- if it's inaccurate to just change a few things and then call a track "new" then a _lot_ of dancehall artists are in trouble. There are whole CDs of (for instance) Sly & Robbie tracks where the backing is exactly the same, and all they've done is add new toasting over the top, and those are all considered different songs. If an artist wants to claim that a track is new after tweaking the snares a little bit, I have no problem with that. It's their work, after all. yrz, ozy ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Ravers Suck Our Sound (415)284-6888 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::

1995-11-30 08:38Edward Pond> This kind of reminded me of hearing various re-used >elements on RDJ's material (e.g. AB

From:: Edward Pond <100550.2422@compuserve.com>
To:: GD <gd@interramp.com>
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Date:: 30 Nov 95 03:38:20 EST
Subject:: Re: (idm) Recycling

quoted 4 lines This kind of reminded me of hearing various re-used

> This kind of reminded me of hearing various re-used >elements on RDJ's material (e.g. AB4 song #4 uses the rhythm from >"The Waxen Pith", and the Polygon Window LP re-uses some AB1 stuff). >At what point, then, is the track unique?

I remember in an interview with RDJ (I think it was future music)he said that he doesn't keep the track sequences on disk because otherwise he would be lazy and re-use a good rhythm. -Ed

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