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1995-11-16 03:54Alan M. Parry---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:41:11 From: Irdial-Discs

From:: Alan M. Parry <fluid@hyperreal.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:54:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: (idm) Irdial-Discs in conjunction with The Breakfast Club and Subcyberia presents Music for RealAudio: Beautyon 'gggzzink' (fwd)

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:41:11 From: Irdial-Discs <irdial@irdialsys.win-uk.net> To: fluid@hyperreal.com +++++++ATTENTION+++++++ Irdial-Discs in conjunction with The Breakfast Club and Subcyberia presents a 1 hour piece of music written for RealAudio, which will be performed on sunday the 19th of November. To hear the performance you will need to follow these instructions: Download and install the RealAudio Player software from: http://www.realaudio.com After you have installed the RealAudio Player, set the baud rate of your Trumpet winsock or similar TCP/IP interface to 14,000 or 9600, and then fire up your connection. Test the RealAudio Player on the examples that reside on the RealAudio site, to make sure that your setup is working. The pointer to the performance URL will reside at the Irdial Discs site. On the 19th, Web to: http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/gggzzink.htm You will be taken to the performance area, where you will be able to hear: Music For RealAudio Beautyon: 'gggzzink' This performance will be relayed in an amplified form at the breakfast club (the physical Subcyberia space) so if you are in London, please go to: 24 Scala Street LONDON W1P 1LU 44+171+813+1926 The Breakfast Club is open all day. The file will exist for 24hrs only. After this time, it will be deleted from the server, and will not be made available again. Irdial-Discs is interested in recieving recordings of this performance, from where you are connected. If you require any further information before the performance, feel free to email irdial@irdialsys.win-uk.net What it is.... ******************************************************************** RealAudio is one of a new breed of software that allows web users to listen to sound over the web in real time. Before the advent of RealAudio, web users had to spend hours downloading huge files to hear a few minutes of sound from the web. Now, thanks to compression ratios of up to 20 to 1, real time sound can be heard a few seconds after the click of the mouse. There is however, a drawback to compression. The algorithms used to achieve these high compression ratios are destructive to the sound that is encoded, so much so, that the compression-distortion creates a beautiful, fractured sound making compression software systems into a new form of musical instrument. Immediately after trying RealAudio, we thought of writing music specifically for the RealAudio player. This piece of music is carefully designed so that it will not survive the compression/decompression cycle. When this piece arrives at your speakers via the web, it will be utterly destroyed/mutilated as it is performed by the player. Data on the web travels in packets, which may sometimes get lost or arrive out of order. RealAudio tries to fix this in real time by guessing the content of lost packets, and so, each person listening to this 'Music for RealAudio' piece will recieve a very different performance. The slower your modem/internet connection, the better the result will be. Make sure that you have the 'Losss Correction' box checked in the 'Options' dialog, so that the RealAudio player interpolates any missing data. *******************************************************************

1995-11-16 20:32Pete AshdownIrdial blathered: >There is however, a drawback to compression. > >The algorithms used to

From:: Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com>
To:: Alan M. Parry <fluid@hyperreal.com>
Cc:: Intelligent Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:32:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Irdial-Discs in conjunction with The Breakfast Club and Subcyberia presents Music for RealAudio: Beautyon 'gggzzink' (fwd)
Reply to:: (idm) Irdial-Discs in conjunction with The Breakfast Club and Subcyberia presents Music for RealAudio: Beautyon 'gggzzink' (fwd)

Irdial blathered:

quoted 12 lines There is however, a drawback to compression.

>There is however, a drawback to compression. > >The algorithms used to achieve these high compression ratios are >destructive to the sound that is encoded, so much so, that the >compression-distortion creates a beautiful, fractured sound making >compression software systems into a new form of musical instrument. >Immediately after trying RealAudio, we thought of writing >music specifically for the RealAudio player. This piece of music is >carefully designed so that it will not survive the >compression/decompression cycle. When this piece arrives at your >speakers via the web, it will be utterly destroyed/mutilated as it >is performed by the player.

Blah blah blah. More of the same garbage. Nobody ever said that "Real Audio" was intended for high-fidelity music reproduction. In fact, most people have stated that it sucks. If they're intentionally trying to use this as a form of art, bravo, but if it is more of the schmear against any form of digital, then they're making asses out of themselves again. Their spiel against JPEG was similarly retarded. I could run music through an Apple II sound device if I really wanted it to sound bad via digital encoding. Or perhaps if I was on a tyrade against analog, a low wattage AM broadcast would be more appropriate.

1995-11-17 11:28Kent WilliamsOn Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Pete Ashdown wrote: > Irdial blathered: > > >The algorithms used to a

From:: Kent Williams <kent@inav.net>
To:: Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com>
Cc:: Alan M. Parry <fluid@hyperreal.com>, Intelligent Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 05:28:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Irdial-Discs in conjunction with The Breakfast Club and Subcyberia presents Music for RealAudio: Beautyon 'gggzzink' (fwd)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Irdial-Discs in conjunction with The Breakfast Club and Subcyberia presents Music for RealAudio: Beautyon 'gggzzink' (fwd)

On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Pete Ashdown wrote:

quoted 10 lines Irdial blathered:

> Irdial blathered: > > >The algorithms used to achieve these high compression ratios are > >destructive to the sound that is encoded, so much so, that the > >compression-distortion creates a beautiful, fractured sound making > >compression software systems into a new form of musical instrument. > > More of the same garbage. Nobody ever said that "Real Audio" > was intended for high-fidelity music reproduction. In fact, most people have > stated that it sucks.

It's suckiness is probably no worse than listening to music over the phone, and probably better.

quoted 4 lines If they're intentionally trying to use this as a form

> If they're intentionally trying to use this as a form > of art, bravo, but if it is more of the schmear against any form of digital, > then they're making asses out of themselves again. Their spiel against JPEG > was similarly retarded.

I'm not familiar with previous statements.

quoted 5 lines I could run music through an Apple II sound device if I really wanted it to

> > I could run music through an Apple II sound device if I really wanted it to > sound bad via digital encoding. Or perhaps if I was on a tyrade against > analog, a low wattage AM broadcast would be more appropriate. >

Distorting and rendering music through low-fidelity devices is a time honored tradition, going back to fuzz bass (which first appeared on a buck owens song, believe it or not), distorted guitar, and Linc Wray who used to shred speaker cones with a knife to get the sound he wanted. I've heard of a guy who regularly uses a wire recorder to record folk music, because then it sounds like the original Smithsonian recordings, and gives it a sheen of authenticity. If anything Irdial probably toots their horns too much over using a substandard medium to process their music, since it's been going on since the beginning of recording.

1995-11-16 23:46g303Pete snapped: [>] >Irdial blathered: [>>] >>There is however, a drawback to compression. >

From:: g303 <g303@phago.demon.co.uk>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:46:43 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) Irdial-Discs in conjunction with The Breakfast Club and Subcyberia presents Music for RealAudio: Beautyon 'gggzzink' (fwd)

Pete snapped: [>]

quoted 1 line Irdial blathered: [>>]

>Irdial blathered: [>>]

quoted 23 lines There is however, a drawback to compression.

>>There is however, a drawback to compression. >> >>The algorithms used to achieve these high compression ratios are >>destructive to the sound that is encoded, so much so, that the >>compression-distortion creates a beautiful, fractured sound making >>compression software systems into a new form of musical instrument. >>Immediately after trying RealAudio, we thought of writing >>music specifically for the RealAudio player. This piece of music is >>carefully designed so that it will not survive the >>compression/decompression cycle. When this piece arrives at your >>speakers via the web, it will be utterly destroyed/mutilated as it >>is performed by the player. > >Blah blah blah. More of the same garbage. Nobody ever said that "Real Audio" >was intended for high-fidelity music reproduction. In fact, most people have >stated that it sucks. If they're intentionally trying to use this as a form >of art, bravo, but if it is more of the schmear against any form of digital, >then they're making asses out of themselves again. Their spiel against JPEG >was similarly retarded. > >I could run music through an Apple II sound device if I really wanted it to >sound bad via digital encoding. Or perhaps if I was on a tyrade against >analog, a low wattage AM broadcast would be more appropriate.

Think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill Pete. All sounds fairly interesting and I for one will be having a go, if they aren't taking the piss. (Well, of course they are :) Anybody heard the Mariopaint thing yet? Sounded rather cool too. We haven't had a digital Vs analogue for a while, was beginning to miss it all. See Warp's contribution on the cover stickers of Tri Repetae's LP and CD versions. Sums it up all pretty well really I thought. But I would wouldn't I :) g3 g The WARP Web Site 3 0 3 http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~n264671/wap-indx.html

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