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1995-11-16 00:48Gregory Ed Sullivan (idm) idm
├─ 1995-11-16 02:01Harvey Thornburg (idm) Ultramarine
└─ 1995-11-18 14:37Eylon I Re: (idm) idm
└─ 1995-11-17 16:54Moran Re: (idm) idm
├─ 1995-11-17 19:56Eylon Israeli (idm) Re: stereolab
│ └─ 1995-11-21 22:39Moran (idm) Re: stereolab
└─ 1995-11-18 02:19Gregory Ed Sullivan Re: (idm) idm
└─ 1995-11-21 22:50Moran Re: (idm) idm
1997-11-15 20:19lwtcdi (idm) Ultramarine
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1995-11-16 00:48Gregory Ed SullivanHello, does anyone on the list know what else Ultramarine has put out besides Every Man &
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Hello, does anyone on the list know what else Ultramarine has put out besides Every Man & Woman is a Star and United Kingdoms? I just recognized one of the songs towards the end of Every M&W as being the theme music for MTV's ridiculous "House of Style" program. I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers have about Stereolab. Its hard to classify them as anything in particular, but I assume they probably share fans with the idm genre. I wouldn't readily call it dance music, but they definately have created thier own uniquely intelligent sound and feel. Thanks in advance. greg.
1995-11-16 02:01Harvey ThornburgGregory Ed Sullivan wrote: > > Hello, does anyone on the list know what else Ultramarine h
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Gregory Ed Sullivan wrote:
quoted 6 lines Hello, does anyone on the list know what else Ultramarine has put out> > Hello, does anyone on the list know what else Ultramarine has put out > besides Every Man & Woman is a Star and United Kingdoms? I just > recognized one of the songs towards the end of Every M&W as being the > theme music for MTV's ridiculous "House of Style" program. >
An abridged Ultramarine discography might include (this is basically my collection, I don't claim to have everything by them!) Reissues may include extra tracks. (as A Primary Industry) Ultramarine (1988) (as Ultramarine) Wyndham Lewis EP (1989) Folk (1990, reiss. 1994) Stella 12" (1991) <some other 12" in here> Every Man and Woman Is a Star (1991, reiss.1993) Nightfall in Sweetleaf EP (1993) Nightfall in Sweetleaf (promo, extra track...1993) Kingdom CDS (1993) United Kingdoms (1994) Happy Land CDS (1994) Barefoot EP (1994) Bel Air (1995) Anybody wish to add here? I know this is sketchy. ------------------------------------------------|---------------------------- "Categories strain, crack and break... | Harvey Thornburg Step out of the space provided." | ------------ -Steven Stapleton (1979) | hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu ------------------------------------------------|----------------------------
1995-11-18 14:37Eylon I>I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers have about Stereolab. Its >hard to clas
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quoted 5 lines I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers have about Stereolab. Its>I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers have about Stereolab. Its >hard to classify them as anything in particular, but I assume they >probably share fans with the idm genre. I wouldn't readily >call it dance music, but they definately have created thier own >uniquely intelligent sound and feel. Thanks in advance.
not a big fan but like them. I'd rather put them under easy listening. but the gentle people are also there and so is IDM. snow
1995-11-17 16:54MoranOn Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Eylon I wrote: > >I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers h
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On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Eylon I wrote:
quoted 8 lines I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers have about Stereolab. Its> >I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers have about Stereolab. Its > >hard to classify them as anything in particular, but I assume they > >probably share fans with the idm genre. I wouldn't readily > >call it dance music, but they definately have created thier own > >uniquely intelligent sound and feel. Thanks in advance. > > not a big fan but like them. I'd rather put them under easy listening. > but the gentle people are also there and so is IDM.
Don't they remind you of some french progressive rock group? It can be said of a lot of groups discussed in this list that they are 90's prog rock... I would say bullshit.. but stereolab is just a little to flakey.. Its like we're back to the nonsensical 70s where lyrics like: "Close to the edge, down by the corner!" are not the utter play on the ambiguity of language that they seem in the 90s. M
1995-11-17 19:56Eylon IsraeliOn Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Moran wrote: > On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Eylon I wrote: > > > >I am also w
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On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Moran wrote:
quoted 20 lines On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Eylon I wrote:> On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Eylon I wrote: > > > >I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers have about Stereolab. Its > > >hard to classify them as anything in particular, but I assume they > > >probably share fans with the idm genre. I wouldn't readily > > >call it dance music, but they definately have created thier own > > >uniquely intelligent sound and feel. Thanks in advance. > > > > not a big fan but like them. I'd rather put them under easy listening. > > but the gentle people are also there and so is IDM. > > Don't they remind you of some french progressive rock group? It can be > said of a lot of groups discussed in this list that they are 90's prog > rock... I would say bullshit.. but stereolab is just a little to flakey.. > Its like we're back to the nonsensical 70s where lyrics like: > > "Close to the edge, down by the corner!" > > are not the utter play on the ambiguity of language that they seem in the > 90s.
French Prog rock is not all prog rock. In fact I like it better. Take gong for example, they are nothing like other prog rock band's bombasatic sagas and other hubristic behaviour. Gong in fact remind me a lot of the goa vibe. Language as a plaything is crucial for modern art but I don't think it's ess entiality to be a good thing. snow
1995-11-21 22:39Moran> > Don't they remind you of some french progressive rock group? It can be > > said of a l
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quoted 15 lines Don't they remind you of some french progressive rock group? It can be> > Don't they remind you of some french progressive rock group? It can be > > said of a lot of groups discussed in this list that they are 90's prog > > rock... I would say bullshit.. but stereolab is just a little to flakey.. > > Its like we're back to the nonsensical 70s where lyrics like: > > > > "Close to the edge, down by the corner!" > > > > are not the utter play on the ambiguity of language that they seem in the > > 90s. > > French Prog rock is not all prog rock. In fact I like it better. > Take gong for example, they are nothing like other prog rock band's > bombasatic sagas and other hubristic behaviour. Gong in fact remind me > a lot of the goa vibe. Language as a plaything is crucial for modern > art but I don't think it's ess entiality to be a good thing.
Yeah.. nothing is really good or bad.. But the cheesy manner in which any band practices on ambiguity is definitely (although not objectively) a bad thing.. I never want to claim a hierarchy for art.. However, in my opinion, there is no room for crap in the small time one has to devour the good shit, you know what I mean? M
1995-11-18 02:19Gregory Ed SullivanI don't understand how Yes's unintelligible lyrics have anything to do with Laetitia Sadie
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I don't understand how Yes's unintelligible lyrics have anything to do with Laetitia Sadier's (Sterolab) mostly political/philosophical lyrics. I have never got a cheesy "prog" feeling from Stereolab, only because the way they project their sound on record immediately dispells those attributes. But I am not going to argue that they are dance music, because they aren't. Just thought I'd see what other people though compared to my own opinion. Thanks for the feedback. greg. On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Moran wrote:
quoted 23 lines On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Eylon I wrote:> On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Eylon I wrote: > > > >I am also wondering what opinions idm subscribers have about Stereolab. Its > > >hard to classify them as anything in particular, but I assume they > > >probably share fans with the idm genre. I wouldn't readily > > >call it dance music, but they definately have created thier own > > >uniquely intelligent sound and feel. Thanks in advance. > > > > not a big fan but like them. I'd rather put them under easy listening. > > but the gentle people are also there and so is IDM. > > Don't they remind you of some french progressive rock group? It can be > said of a lot of groups discussed in this list that they are 90's prog > rock... I would say bullshit.. but stereolab is just a little to flakey.. > Its like we're back to the nonsensical 70s where lyrics like: > > "Close to the edge, down by the corner!" > > are not the utter play on the ambiguity of language that they seem in the > 90s. > > M >
1995-11-21 22:50MoranOn Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Gregory Ed Sullivan wrote: > I don't understand how Yes's unintelligi
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On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Gregory Ed Sullivan wrote:
quoted 9 lines I don't understand how Yes's unintelligible lyrics have anything to do> I don't understand how Yes's unintelligible lyrics have anything to do > with Laetitia Sadier's (Sterolab) mostly political/philosophical lyrics. > I have never got a cheesy "prog" feeling from Stereolab, only because > the way they project their sound on record immediately dispells those > attributes. But I am not going to argue that they are dance music, because > they aren't. Just thought I'd see what other people though compared to > my own opinion. Thanks for the feedback. > > greg.
I suppose I am wrong in the sense that any interpretation can be drawn from any work.. But in my opinion there are better ways of expressing within the confines of StereoLab.. One of my roomates would blast the shit over and over.. Not that I hated it immediately, but after repetitive listening, it disturbed me. I found it (relating it to my youth) as pretentious as Jon Anderson (i think his name is) sang choir like vocals on Yes's albums.. That is where the quote comes from.. I am not aware of any lyrical meaning from Stereolab probably because I haven't payed enough attention.. But on the whole, I'll allow myself to dislike them.. Those females drive me up the wall..
1997-11-15 20:19lwtcdi>>"hymn", german, cd1 (mixes). >>mixes by u-ziq, luke slater, mekons, mouse on mars, ultra
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quoted 3 lines "hymn", german, cd1 (mixes).>>"hymn", german, cd1 (mixes). >>mixes by u-ziq, luke slater, mekons, mouse on mars, ultramarine; + >>original. all interesting trades welcome.
quoted 4 lines I picked up this release a couple of months ago thinking that based on the>I picked up this release a couple of months ago thinking that based on the >remixers it should be pretty interesting. It wasn't quite what I was >looking for. While I'm sure there are a lot of other people out there who >like this release, I'm not one of them.
I don't think anyone like it THAT much. The remixes are pretty disappointing, not helped by the fact that they didn't come out until a year after they were originally done.
quoted 5 lines It's nice and soft and sappy>It's nice and soft and sappy >(complete with vocals). Sort of an 'easy listening' style. The only >Ultramarine I've heard before this was "United Kindoms" which I though was >pretty good. However, if this is what the newer Ultramarine is like, expect >to be hearing it next time you're in an elevator.
Hymn is NOT representative of the Bel Air LP which is an overlooked and highly underrated classic. Easily as good as United Kingdoms but in a totally different style. Vocals on four tracks from Pooka but the music is never compromised for the sake of the singing. The whole LP is packed to the brim with a very interesting mash of melodies and sounds, and is highly reccomended. Can't wait for the new LP on Beechwood/New Electronica (looks like they finally broke free of the major label leash). Anyone have any more details, or their e-mail address? I was in contact with them a long time ago, but their e-mail changed and I lost it. Doh! ______________________________________________________________________ Sammy Rawlins' "VIRTUAL JUKEBOX" Nescape Only (For Now) RA's & WAVs of *cylob* *squarepusher* *full cycle* *turn on* *lemon d* *etc* ----> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8587/4musjuke.htm plus The Busted Worldview of "LOOK WHAT THE CAT DRAGGED IN" ________________ http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7691 __________________