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quoted 1 line On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 6 lines he's also done the (well worn) trick of

> > he's also done the (well worn) trick of > > making the groove skip forward, leaving a lot of space, and etching > > a message in the empty space... > > "trick"? I thought this was just standard for vinyl releases (or are > you saying that he did it in the outside & not inside groove?)

it's in the MIDDLE of the track. (ever seen "stylus flight" by equitek? notice how there's "bands" of song surrounded by lots of "empty space"? now imagine someone wrote something in the empty space...) i have a depth charge promo (shaolin buddha finger b/w vampyress) which has the writing on the outside edge of the record. i forget what it says... exist dance have written lots of cool stuff in the run-out space as well, including little pictures of bongs 'n' flowers 'n' such... -j-

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 2 lines it's in the MIDDLE of the track. (ever seen "stylus flight" by equitek?

> > it's in the MIDDLE of the track. (ever seen "stylus flight" by equitek?

actually what i was thinking was anywhere but in the inside groove (i've also seen it all the way around the very outer edge of the vinyl. & speaking of locked grooves, i believe i have an ep w/ several tracks on each side, all ending in locked grooves- great for radio play, horrible for at-home listening). One more trick: 2 (side-by-side) grooves, so that someone using an automatic turntable can't guarantee which song will be played. BTW, who IS generally responsible for that writing? artists, labels, a bored laborer at the pressing plant? (I take it that if an artist wants something written, that can be done......but what about other circumstances?)

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 3 lines it's in the MIDDLE of the track. (ever seen "stylus flight" by equitek?

> it's in the MIDDLE of the track. (ever seen "stylus flight" by equitek? > notice how there's "bands" of song surrounded by lots of "empty space"? now > imagine someone wrote something in the empty space...)

Clear releases have this...

quoted 2 lines exist dance have written lots of cool stuff in the run-out space as well,

> exist dance have written lots of cool stuff in the run-out space as well, > including little pictures of bongs 'n' flowers 'n' such...

Theres an old Peter Baby Ford release which apparently has a short novel etched out in the run-offs, if you can actually read the thing. || [CiM] || u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

quoted 20 lines On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote: > >> >> it's in the MIDDLE of the track. (ever seen "stylus flight" by equitek? > >actually what i was thinking was anywhere but in the inside groove >(i've also seen it all the way around the very outer edge >of the vinyl. & speaking of locked grooves, i believe i have >an ep w/ several tracks on each side, all ending in locked grooves- >great for radio play, horrible for at-home listening). > >One more trick: 2 (side-by-side) grooves, so that someone >using an automatic turntable can't guarantee which song >will be played. > >BTW, who IS generally responsible for that writing? >artists, labels, a bored laborer at the pressing plant? > >(I take it that if an artist wants something written, >that can be done......but what about other circumstances?)

MAD magazine used to release flexidisks with 5 or more songs on them, all in the same space, ie when you put the needle down it would go into one of the 5 grooves and thats the song you would hear. Weird. MAD. Weird. Peace, Ollie

Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 4 lines - if i had found some smart-ass mastering engineer had written

> - if i had found some smart-ass mastering engineer had written >something on my record without permission i would probably think twice before >using that facility again... >

Especially if it was something like "All these crabs" / "Are making me itch", as someone etched on a New Order release (US 12" single for Perfect Kiss, I think. I'll have to look at home). Later, -H-

quoted 5 lines BTW, who IS generally responsible for that writing?

> BTW, who IS generally responsible for that writing? > artists, labels, a bored laborer at the pressing plant? > > (I take it that if an artist wants something written, that can be > done......but what about other circumstances?)

it happens in mastering (mastering is the last stop before the pressing plant). the mastering engineer usually writes the matrix number of the record in the run-out groove so the thing can be identified when there aren't any labels on it. i've never seen a record without a matrix number (unless it was a bootleg and the bootlegger scratched it off). other common stuff found in run-out grooves is the name of the mastering engineer and the mastering house. sometimes engineers will write in other engineers' names if they did a shitty job and don't want anyone to think that it was their fault... :) any other optional comments, drawings, etc, are specified and/or done by the artist - if i had found some smart-ass mastering engineer had written something on my record without permission i would probably think twice before using that facility again... mike kandel of exist dance does all the doodling himself. me, i've never sat in on one of my mastering sessions, but if i wanted something etched i could send along a note with the master tape specifying what i wanted. next time on "da rekkid biz": colored vinyl, the real story! -j-