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1995-08-05 05:31Atlantis23@aol.com>I hate this kind of statement. So if a jazz musician likes acid-jazz they >are disrespect

From:: <Atlantis23@aol.com>
To:: <scrot@sans.vuw.ac.nz>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:31:57 -0400
Subject:: Re: i got it

quoted 4 lines I hate this kind of statement. So if a jazz musician likes acid-jazz they

>I hate this kind of statement. So if a jazz musician likes acid-jazz they >are disrespectful? How? If you mean it, back it up, or kindly note that >it is just your own opinion, instead of slagging off an entire musical >genre like that.

Jazz is about the real feeling/energy made by free styling, improv musicians and the synchonisty between several improv players to bring out a fat, cold/cool groove with depth, IMO. More than 90% of the 'acid-jazz' I've heard(and I'm exposed to it quite often) is nothing more than pre-programed sampled beats, samples of jazz looped to a beat and at most someone playing some sort of solo(usually some form of saxaphone). What live/improv feeling is there in that? Maybe I'm just too much of a snob purest? Who knows... I'd like to think I'm open minded... I just dont think 'acid jazz' is true to jazz's nature and roots. Good jazz? Thelonius Monk, Sun Ra, Charles Hayword, Dizzy Gilepsie, Charlie Parker, Angello Badalamenti... I'll go crawl in some hole and breed now! dave wright not breathing :) -hope I'm not offending too many people- :(

1995-08-05 14:08Kent WilliamsOn Aug 5, 1:31am, Atlantis23@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: i got it > > >I hate this kind

From:: Kent Williams <cadsi.com!kent@elvis.cadsi.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:08:21 -0500
Subject:: Acid Whatever

On Aug 5, 1:31am, Atlantis23@aol.com wrote:

quoted 12 lines Subject: Re: i got it

> Subject: Re: i got it > > >I hate this kind of statement. So if a jazz musician likes acid-jazz they > >are disrespectful? How? If you mean it, back it up, or kindly note that > >it is just your own opinion, instead of slagging off an entire musical > >genre like that. > > More than 90% of the 'acid-jazz' I've > heard(and I'm exposed to it quite often) is nothing more than pre-programed > sampled beats, samples of jazz looped to a beat and at most someone playing > some sort of solo(usually some form of saxaphone). >

I'm sure there's some deep stuff out there. The problem with understanding a style of music from the outside is that the mediocre outnumbers and drowns out the good.

quoted 3 lines Good jazz? Thelonius Monk, Sun Ra, Charles Hayword, Dizzy Gilepsie, Charlie

> Good jazz? Thelonius Monk, Sun Ra, Charles Hayword, Dizzy Gilepsie, Charlie > Parker, Angello Badalamenti... >

When I was in high school (class of 75) the thing happening was a combo of Southern Rawk, Lame English Prog, and stupid Metal bands. Disenchanted with that I started buying German Electronic music and old jazz. I read through some books by Leonard Feather in the library, and bought the records he recommended -- John Coltrane, Charles Mingus, Thelonius Monk, Miles Davis, et al. The Acid Jazz I've heard isn't an improvement on the stuff that was happening back in the early 70's -- in some cases it samples that stuff, and by looping removes all the interior motion that makes the tracks listenable. Jazz is music made by people who select the next note because of the last note played by everybody else. It's music made by listening -- cooperation. If you cut up loops of it, you get the surface, without any of the intention or interplay. I still think "Back at Chicken Shack" by Jimmy Smith (with Kenny Burrell on Guitar) has more soul and groove than a hundred 'Acid Jazz' records. And it has the coolest cover on earth! That being said, someone please point me at some Acid Jazz that makes it happen.

quoted 2 lines I'll go crawl in some hole and breed now!

> I'll go crawl in some hole and breed now! >

-- Pamela Anderson? Nahhh. Helena Bonham Carter! kent.williams@cadsi.com [Kent Williams/CADSI/2651 Crosspark Rd/Coralville IA 52241/(319)626-6700]

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