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1994-05-16 17:47Sho Kuwamoto christian vogel
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1994-05-16 23:29Sho Kuwamoto Re: Christian Vogel
1995-01-14 18:23John Christian Vegher Christian Vogel
1995-07-06 20:26Ashok Divakaran EMTAP 39191 Christian Vogel
├─ 1995-07-06 19:33Matthew S Macqueen Re: Christian Vogel
│ └─ 1995-07-06 21:40Matthew Lehrer Re: Christian Vogel
└─ 1995-07-07 09:22James Skilton Re: Christian Vogel
2001-05-09 13:53Alexandre Lemieux Re: [idm] christian vogel
└─ 2001-05-11 16:28William Samuels Re: [idm] cristian vogel
2001-05-10 18:08Christopher Miller [idm] Re: Warp apologist? Not hardly
├─ 2001-05-10 21:27Jeff/Ninja Tune Re: [idm] Re: Warp apologist? Not hardly
│ └─ 2001-05-10 21:05Ryan Schilling Re: [idm] Re: Warp apologist? Not hardly
│ └─ 2001-05-10 21:34R. Lim [idm] frappe d'or
│ └─ 2001-05-11 15:41Ryan Schilling Re: [idm] frappe d'or
└─ 2001-05-11 09:23Michael Scheer Re: [idm] Re: Warp apologist? Not hardly
2001-05-10 21:27www.promoozz.org [idm] christian vogel
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1994-05-16 17:47Sho KuwamotoI just picked up the Christian Vogel 4 tracker on virtual science (a new sublabel of force
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I just picked up the Christian Vogel 4 tracker on virtual science (a new sublabel of force, inc.), and it is *amazing*. Intelligent hard trance along the lines of, say, The Source. Does anyone have anything else by this guy? What about the other two releases on VS? (Russ Gabriel, "Digilogic Synthesis" and Pierrot Premier, "Electric Kool Aid Acid test") -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! <A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html>Sho Kuwamoto</A>.
1994-05-16 21:54u90cmg@ecs.oxford.ac.ukY. I have the 'Infa' ep on Magnetic North recs (UK). The 2 tracks on the A-side are hard-a
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Y. I have the 'Infa' ep on Magnetic North recs (UK). The 2 tracks on the A-side are hard-as-fuck clattering technoid stompers. The b-side is *weird* chilled out stuff. Like orb but using harsher noises (crap description, but i cant be both. to explain it properlyt). Not a particularly 'useful' record but you might like the b-side.. What was the one you (sho) mention like? Chris.
1994-05-16 23:29Sho Kuwamoto> Y. I have the 'Infa' ep on Magnetic North recs (UK). > > The 2 tracks on the A-side are
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quoted 9 lines Y. I have the 'Infa' ep on Magnetic North recs (UK).> Y. I have the 'Infa' ep on Magnetic North recs (UK). > > The 2 tracks on the A-side are hard-as-fuck clattering technoid > stompers. > The b-side is *weird* chilled out stuff. Like orb but using harsher noises > (crap description, but i cant be both. to explain it properlyt). > Not a particularly 'useful' record but you might like the b-side.. > > What was the one you (sho) mention like?
The Intersync EP is on the hard side, but not overly so. I'd compare it to CJ Bolland or the Source in both sound and quality. From what little I know about Magnetic North (I have a VCF 12", as does my housemate), I'd guess that Infa is harder than Intersync. One sentence description: Carefully constructed, lushly layered hard trance with creative sounds and somewhat strange rhythms. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! <A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html>Sho Kuwamoto</A>.
1995-01-14 18:23John Christian VegherHope I'm not resurrecting an old thread, but... This guy can turn it out! I just bought "B
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Hope I'm not resurrecting an old thread, but... This guy can turn it out! I just bought "Beginning to Understand" and it blows me away. Freaky intelligent acid. Varied, complex, hard and deep...and I've only heard the first 6 trax. If this music were a little harder and had more static distortions it would be on Rephlex. (As it is, it's on Mille Plateaux.) TRAX 1 Machine 2 Sub-Aqua (Scuba Dub) 3 Hubklap 4 Alien Conversation 5 Scorpio 6 Beginning to Understand 7 Going the Distance 8 Space Between Stars 9 Heartfelt 10 No Time Remaining (00:00) Peace. On now: Cristian Vogel "Beginning to Understand" ||| oo < = JohnV, The Floating Head on the Rolling Waves of the CyberSea...
1995-07-06 20:26Ashok Divakaran EMTAP 39191Anyone know where I can find Christian Vogel's "We Equate Machines to Funk" (I think that'
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Anyone know where I can find Christian Vogel's "We Equate Machines to Funk" (I think that's what it's called) and what label it's on? His "Beginning to Understand" (Mille Plateaux) is just brilliant. THx Ashok
1995-07-06 19:33Matthew S Macqueen> > Anyone know where I can find Christian Vogel's "We Equate > Machines to Funk" (I think
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quoted 5 lines Anyone know where I can find Christian Vogel's "We Equate> > Anyone know where I can find Christian Vogel's "We Equate > Machines to Funk" (I think that's what it's called) and what > label it's on? His "Beginning to Understand" (Mille Plateaux) > is just brilliant.
Have not heard "Beginning to Understand", will keep an eye out. you're close on the name, "We Equate Machines with Funkiness EP" was on Mosquito records, it was # 001. Has anyone heard any other releases on this label, and if so, who and when? #001 is probably close to a year old by now... Claude Young mentioned that he loved this EP was was going to do remixes of these tracks, did they ever get done? and if so, did they ever see the light of day? I like Vogel a lot and always seek more of his material, usually very original and he doesn't seem to stick to any played-out "guessable" formula tracks. Matt MacQueen <macqueen@student.msu.edu> on now: insync vs. mysterion
1995-07-06 21:40Matthew LehrerOn Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Matthew S Macqueen wrote: > you're close on the name, "We Equate Machi
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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Matthew S Macqueen wrote:
quoted 4 lines you're close on the name, "We Equate Machines with Funkiness> you're close on the name, "We Equate Machines with Funkiness > EP" was on Mosquito records, it was # 001. Has anyone heard any other releases > on this label, and if so, who and when? #001 is probably close to a year old by > now...
I believe the latest one (not sure of the cat. #) is by Peacefrog man Neil Landstrum. He also collaborates with Vogel on a track off of Vogel's new LP on Tresor.
quoted 2 lines I like Vogel a lot and always seek more of his material, usually very original> I like Vogel a lot and always seek more of his material, usually very original > and he doesn't seem to stick to any played-out "guessable" formula tracks.
_Beginning To Understand_ is fucking brilliant, but after a quick listen to his new one I'm fairly unimpressed. Bog-standard techno-mechanics from a man who is capable of so much more (check 'Machine' and 'Heartfelt' off of _Beginning To Understand_ to see what I mean). - Matthew "I grew up thinking that techno music is actually something that you can't imagine. That is techno at its best. If you hear something that you'd never expect to hear - that's techno. If you hear something that kind of sounds like you've heard it before, then it's not techno." - Jeff Mills
1995-07-07 09:22James SkiltonAshok Divakaran EMTAP 39191 wrote on Thu, 06 Jul 95 21:26:00 BST : > Anyone know where I c
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Ashok Divakaran EMTAP 39191 wrote on Thu, 06 Jul 95 21:26:00 BST :
quoted 6 lines Anyone know where I can find Christian Vogel's "We Equate> Anyone know where I can find Christian Vogel's "We Equate > Machines to Funk" (I think that's what it's called) and what > label it's on? His "Beginning to Understand" (Mille Plateaux) > is just brilliant. > > THx Ashok
1. its Cristian Vogel (no H) 2. We Equate Machines to Funkiness is on a label called "Mosquito" and this is the only release I have ever seen on that label. I don't think it's widely available any more. 3. CV seems to release each record on a different label - Magnetic North and Force Inc are among others he has appeared on. J ^ __ ___ ___ _ __ __ (__` | (_ /_\ | \ \_/ _ | .__) | (___ / \ |__/ / \_| steady-J@firefox.co.uk
2001-05-09 13:53Alexandre LemieuxcRistian Vogel no H after the C... a ----- Original Message ----- From: "www.promoozz.org"
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cRistian Vogel no H after the C... a ----- Original Message ----- From: "www.promoozz.org" <promoozz@promoozz.org> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: [idm] christian vogel
quoted 3 lines i agree.> i agree. > > ummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian Vogel's last record is
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quoted 12 lines good.> good. > > Jeff > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-05-11 16:28William Samuels--- Alexandre Lemieux <tricoteux@hotmail.com> wrote: > cRistian Vogel no H after the C...
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--- Alexandre Lemieux <tricoteux@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 1 line cRistian Vogel no H after the C...> cRistian Vogel no H after the C...
I was about to make this very same post..kind of funny. no one ever spells his name correctly. His latest lp on Novamute is probably one of the most innovative techno releases this year. Both Cristian and Jamie Lidell always bring a smile to my face in their unique efforts. I don't always like everything, I just respect that they are striving to do something different.
quoted 10 lines ----- Original Message -----> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "www.promoozz.org" <promoozz@promoozz.org> > > i agree. > > > > ummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian > Vogel's last record is > really > > good. > > > > Jeff
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2001-05-10 18:08Christopher MillerOn Thu, 10 May 2001 Kris Gillespie explained: > hmm... Well, it's not a label's job to mak
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On Thu, 10 May 2001 Kris Gillespie explained:
quoted 4 lines hmm... Well, it's not a label's job to make sure that there are t-shirts> hmm... Well, it's not a label's job to make sure that there are t-shirts > to sell. The group's designs came late from Europe. With that said, > there's going to be merch starting in Chicago, so you can fly on up there > if you'd like... or there's always Warpmart.
Fair enough about it *not* being the label's job. Autechre and their manager failed. So for at least the first seven dates of this tour there will be no merchandise of any kind. Do you really think that Warpmart will care about this? No, we'll still have to pay quite a bit more due to the excahnge rate plus expensive shipping to the U.S.
quoted 4 lines I'm also sorry that we weren't down there in force handing out free copies> I'm also sorry that we weren't down there in force handing out free copies > of the new album to appease you, let alone selected back catalog, > postcards for shows that don't yet exist and YOU CAN'T HAND OUT STICKERS > AT CLUBS IN NYC WITHOUT PISSING OFF THE OWNERS.
Never said any of that. Please re-read:
quoted 4 lines Also, there was absolutely no Warp Records USA presence of any kind. I>> Also, there was absolutely no Warp Records USA presence of any kind. I >> thought for sure there would be promo items floating around (ie posters, >> postcards, stickers). In fact, there weren't even any flyers for the show >> itself!
Posters meaning smallish promotional posters that are sent out to radio stations, trade publications, record shops, etc highlighting a new release or the band itself. Postcards being the same. The kind of things you find on your way out of shops usually by the door on a table or in a box. Cheap freebies. Didn't know about that sticker thing... ...regardless, those were just examples. This was the first show I had ever been to where there were absolutely no souvenirs or memorablia of any kind. Not even a small photocopied flyer for the show! I hear so much about Warp shows and Warp parties in the UK having really cool flyers and freebies. Small local bands with no label support at all do better promoting themselves. I'm not saying necessarily that I was *expecting* to get free stuff... it just amazed me that the first dates of probably Warp's biggest signing were not really promoted or hyped by their US office which had also just opened up recently. This was Warp USA's big chance to promote itself along with one of its hottest artists. Definitely a missed opportunity and a bad business decision on someone's part. I give Warp USA about a year. Remember Mute USA? Remember PIAS USA? They heavily promoted themselves and still ended up shutting down. If you want to make a presence for yourself you can't just rely on word-of-mouth and some random magazine ads. Is Warp USA a serious long-term venture or a money-pit?
quoted 1 line That is unless you'd rather Warp artists not be welcome here.> That is unless you'd rather Warp artists not be welcome here.
I couldn't tell. Were they? I mean their fans will always welcome them here, but will their label still be around to bring them or other Warp artists back? THIS is the label's responsibility, and so far Warp/Warp USA is failing. If and when no other Warp artist tours the US, it will be because Warp USA failed both itself as a label and us as its fans.
quoted 3 lines We did put some very nice posters up before the show both nights, but unless> We did put some very nice posters up before the show both nights, but unless > you were one of the first ten people there each night (and two of you have had > to have been women, since I put a couple up in the ladies' room).
Whatever. You just wasted money on getting those printed. You might as well have given them away the night of the show itself. What's the point of printing up very nice posters if they aren't going to be seen well before the show? So, your target audience was ONLY the people who were at that club on Thursday the 3rd? Walking around Manhattan I saw several really cool posters for other clubs and other events. While sitting around downstairs at the Bowery ballroom there were several handbills and nicely printed cardstock flyers on the tables for future events. Hell, there were even gutter-punks outside the Autechre show handing out flyers for other future events. Then again, the show was sold out so maybe Warp USA didn't feel as if it were important to promote it? .`-). christopher miller o o.' evil@fdt.net == ' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-10 21:27Jeff/Ninja Tuneummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian Vogel's last record is really good. Jeff on
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ummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian Vogel's last record is really good. Jeff on 5/10/01 1:08 PM, Christopher Miller at evil@fdt.net wrote:
quoted 1 line Remember Mute USA?> Remember Mute USA?
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2001-05-10 21:05Ryan SchillingYeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; that was on Mute and it was a domestic release.
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Yeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; that was on Mute and it was a domestic release. -Ryan At 04:27 PM 5/10/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 15 lines ummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian Vogel's last record is really>ummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian Vogel's last record is really >good. > >Jeff > > > >on 5/10/01 1:08 PM, Christopher Miller at evil@fdt.net wrote: > > > Remember Mute USA? > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-05-10 21:34R. LimOn Thu, 10 May 2001, Ryan Schilling wrote: > Yeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; th
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quoted 2 lines Yeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; that was on Mute and it was a> Yeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; that was on Mute and it was a > domestic release.
How was the album? The impression that I got from their live show was of reheated French cabaret music (ou est-il, Jacques Brel?) in a vaguely Portishead style. The Francophile influence seems to be so pervasive as to manifest itself in Ms. Goldfrapp's wardrobe (I mean, what's more French than wearing military gear with no obvious intention of ever using it in a combat situation?). On the other hand, reviews of the album seem consistently positive, so you never know. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-11 15:41Ryan Schilling"Felt Mountain" has its moments, but I wouldn't say it's a necessary pickup. She seems to
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"Felt Mountain" has its moments, but I wouldn't say it's a necessary pickup. She seems to focus on the cabaret style a little too much, and the album has a number of slow spots. Some of the stuff sounds derivative (if you've heard "Human" I think you know what I mean). She also reuses this same melody a few times on the album. I guess you could say it's a theme for her album, but it mostly just irritates me. That said, I think she has a lot of potential. I saw her last week in New York (went to see Plaid open for her), and I was rather impressed by her vocal abilities (it's one thing to sing on a recording... another to mirror that live). Her backing band gave her songs a lot more flair, and "Utopia" sounded wonderful. She covered Olivia Newton John's "Physical" that night, too. If she could grow stronger in the songwriting department, Ms. Goldfrapp could be a real talent. -Ryan p.s. - she wore the combat gear and beret in NYC, too :) At 05:34 PM 5/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 19 lines On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ryan Schilling wrote:>On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ryan Schilling wrote: > > > Yeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; that was on Mute and it was a > > domestic release. > >How was the album? The impression that I got from their live show was of >reheated French cabaret music (ou est-il, Jacques Brel?) in a vaguely >Portishead style. The Francophile influence seems to be so pervasive as to >manifest itself in Ms. Goldfrapp's wardrobe (I mean, what's more French >than wearing military gear with no obvious intention of ever using it in a >combat situation?). On the other hand, reviews of the album seem >consistently positive, so you never know. > > -rob > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-05-11 09:23Michael ScheerThu, 10 May 2001 14:08:04 -0400, Christopher Miller: > Then again, the show was sold out s
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Thu, 10 May 2001 14:08:04 -0400, Christopher Miller:
quoted 2 lines Then again, the show was sold out so maybe Warp USA didn't feel as if> Then again, the show was sold out so maybe Warp USA didn't feel as if > it were important to promote it?
Fortunately they didn´t. There wasn´t a bit of merchandising / flyers etc. here in Germany as well. Ae shouldn´t become too big. My friend + all the people I know still don´t know about Ae (had to go to the latest Ae-gig alone), hope this won´t change! BTW., anyone knows a good source for europ./american Charts (Top 100.000) so that I can see how "Top" Ae is? TIA, Michael. -- Michael Scheer <listen@autechre.de> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-10 21:27www.promoozz.orgi agree. ummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian Vogel's last record is really good.
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i agree. ummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian Vogel's last record is really good. Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org