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quoted 7 lines Blork. Well, here we differ ... ("If I wanted vocals, I'd ... ") Maybe I�

>Blork. Well, here we differ ... ("If I wanted vocals, I'd ... ") Maybe I'm >the only person who doesn't find her or her recent seemingly-bandwagon-jumping >Techno-esque forays something to get all that excited about? (Admittedly I >have only heard a few tracks from the last 2 albums, all of which were vocal >stuff. No remixes) > > - Greg

I don't think it's fair to say that Bjork is jumping on any bandwagon. She's worked on many "techno-esque" projects and not all of them are recent. Check the credits of the 808 State album "Excel" and many of the remixes of her songs are great. I hope you don't leave before she goes on 'cause you'll be missing a pretty good show. Sorry, just didn't want to hear anymore slagging of Bjork. Back to your regularly scheduled programming... -- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::John C. Brinda <brinda@oneworld.com>:: ::<A HREF="http://www-scf.usc.edu/~brinda/">John Brinda</A>:: :: PGP Key Fingerprint = A1240C9043F18C71 E638FD55C057719D :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

quoted 11 lines Blork. Well, here we differ ... ("If I wanted vocals, I'd ... ") Maybe I�

>>Blork. Well, here we differ ... ("If I wanted vocals, I'd ... ") Maybe I'm >>the only person who doesn't find her or her recent seemingly-bandwagon-jumping >>Techno-esque forays something to get all that excited about? (Admittedly I >>have only heard a few tracks from the last 2 albums, all of which were vocal >>stuff. No remixes) > >I don't think it's fair to say that Bjork is jumping on any bandwagon. >She's worked on many "techno-esque" projects and not all of them are >recent. Check the credits of the 808 State album "Excel" and many of the >remixes of her songs are great. I hope you don't leave before she goes on >'cause you'll be missing a pretty good show.

Considering her first record is from 1977, I'd say that her appearance on two tracks on 'ex:el,' released in 1991, *is* recent. Even barring obscure Icelandic releases, her recordings with the Sugarcubes handily precede any techno involvement on her part. All of which is moot, really - Bjork is as guilty of jumping on the techno bandwagon as Underworld, Richard Kirk, Youth, and any number of other people that Greg wouldn't think of insulting for it. :) C. -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted."

On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Chris.Hilker wrote:

quoted 3 lines All of which is moot, really - Bjork is as guilty of jumping on the techno

> All of which is moot, really - Bjork is as guilty of jumping on the techno > bandwagon as Underworld, Richard Kirk, Youth, and any number of other people > that Greg wouldn't think of insulting for it. :)

(a) Underworld -- _dubnobasswithmyheadman_ in many ways could have been recorded and released a decade earlier, if not for such factors as what a major label would or would not release. These are two of the same folks from Freur (distant, semi-arty synth-pop, c. 1982, CBS). Underworld released two albums (possibly US only), on Sire I think. The records are competent enough, but "sell-out" comes to mind. I strongly suspect they are now doing what they were always aiming to do, and changes in fashion have helped them along this path, likely artistically as well as commercially. (b) Richard H. Kirk -- I don't know how it is that an artist can jump on a bandwagon, when he has been partly responsible for filling the fuel tank on which the techno bandwagon runs, and has been doing so for the last 20 years. Check out a release like _The Living Legends_ (which collects Cabaret Voltaire's singles -- A's & B's from '82 and earlier) and you will find all the seeds are there. (c) Youth -- After leaving Killing Joke in 1982, Youth has been involved in several dance-related projects such as Brilliant. His work has been far from consistently good in this arena IMO, but as for accusations of jumping on the techno bandwagon, he has merely moved in the same direction as the rest of the scene he has been involved with for some time already.

quoted 3 lines Maybe I'm the only person who doesn't find her or her recent seemingly-

>>>Maybe I'm the only person who doesn't find her or her recent seemingly- >>>>>>bandwagon- jumping >>>Techno-esque forays something to get all that excited about?

quoted 9 lines Considering her first record is from 1977, I'd say that her appearance on

>Considering her first record is from 1977, I'd say that her appearance on >two tracks on 'ex:el,' released in 1991, *is* recent. Even barring obscure >Icelandic releases, her recordings with the Sugarcubes handily precede any >techno involvement on her part. >All of which is moot, really - Bjork is as guilty of jumping on the techno >bandwagon as Underworld, Richard Kirk, Youth, and any number of other people >that Greg wouldn't think of insulting for it. :) > >C.

You shouldn't expect, or even want, artists to stay stuck in the same style (especially if it is since 1977!). And, the fact that their music evolved from a different background is probably a positive aspect of what they produce. Can artists help it if they like what is coming out of the techno scene? Generally, what one likes tends to have some kind of an impact and influence on the direction your work may take, whether it be in music, art, design, etc. And, Richard Kirk? I think saying that he is someone who is "jumping on the techno bandwagon" is stretching it somewhat far. I think early Caberet Voltaire was an important step leading towards techno. It seems like he and CV have followed a natural progression to what they are doing now. P4UL S3YMOU2

nope, she is not, not even when going on tour with goldie next month, i would not even accuse her of jumping on the jungle bandwagon or anything. ever thought of the whole technoscene as jumping on the innovators bandwagon, whoever they are, fuck it, the most stupid thing in this direction is clearly having this stupid Scanner guy getting public attention for `his´ so called sample on bjorks record, i mean reinvent the copyright again? how muso can you go? - +' + _ -'-__ ,; = ! ( ( 0 ) ) ! X!X!X!X! XX XX !!!! !__!__!