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1995-04-24 20:13Pete Ashdown muZiq in San Francisco - review
└─ 1995-04-25 19:39Mark Kolmar Re: American music scene
1995-04-24 22:03Joe Marougi - 3576253 Re: muZiq in San Francisco - review
1995-04-24 23:14Pete Ashdown Re: muZiq in San Francisco - review
1995-04-25 04:38Kent Williams Re: muZiq in San Francisco - review
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1995-04-24 20:13Pete AshdownIt has been over a year of pulling out my personal patch cords from the rave scene in the
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Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:13:18 -0600 (MDT)
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muZiq in San Francisco - review
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It has been over a year of pulling out my personal patch cords from the rave scene in the U.S. I returned to San Francisco only to witness muZiq play. The idea of the whole show being on a boat leant a certain excitement to the event. In addition, I looked forward to seeing many old friends again and raping the local record shops. Riding from the airport on the rental-car bus I suddenly realized that something was wrong. I frantically searched through my baggage to find that, yes, indeed, I had left the concert tickets back in Salt Lake City. My friend Miles and I had to rush from the airport to the nearest available telephone to get someone in Salt Lake to break into my house and FedEx them to us. I was happy to hear that FedEx could deliver to a park bench (Hi Drukman!), but to make a long story short, we managed to get the tickets the next morning. Thanks to Brian Behlendorf and all the fine people at Organic for putting up with us. Although nobody in San Francisco could tell us where the Perry building was (it turned out to be a ticket typo, designed to confuse out-of-towners), we found the Ferry building on Saturday night. Much to my amazement, there were still a lot of tickets left. This really set the tone for the entire evening. Two women in line talked to us and showed their surprise that we'd come from Salt Lake. "Why are you here, vacation?" "No, we're here to see muZiq." They gave us a blank stare in return. It seemed that about 10% of the crowd (which numbered around 400) was there to see muZiq perform. The rest was there for the "party on a boat". A definite bleak outline of the American music scene, since it would almost be impossible to justify a muZiq tour of the states. The boat was really nice. Miles and I both felt that it was worth the cost of the ticket alone. Floating underneath the Golden Gate bridge in the middle of a clear night is an experience that few will have, and was most spectacular to boot. Having some decent ambient music in the background made it even nicer. It also brought back a lot of memories from a certain "Liquid Air" that happened on a beach in the distance. Jonah Sharp spun on the second deck for the first part of the night. Finally, Michael Paradinas took the controls and started up with Sonic Fox. I walked across the room and sat on a table behind him. Soon, I was joined by a girl who brightly asked, "What's going on?" She was in apparent ignorance that someone was playing live next to us. I told her that muZiq was playing and she said, "Oh," jumped off the table and left the room. Michael was positioned on the side of the deck with three keyboards surrounding him and an Atari ST. He twiddled on the DX-11 in front of him, and adjusted a mixer on the side, while dragging the ST's mouse to and fro. On the side and rear, the Roland D-50 and Casio (!) sampler were barely touched. I'd imagine that these did most of the sequences. He had an assistant that regularly plugged floppies into the Casio. The sound quality left something to be desired at times. It was apparent that there was a short somewhere that was causing problems. The sound however, was a minor distraction in comparison to the performance. The whole thing did not seem as polished as most shows I've seen. Michael visibily cursed the sound system and then seemed to blame all other problems on it as well. Sitting 15 feet behind him revealed the fact that his ST crashed twice during the show. I could only assume that the currently playing track was on a tape in the mixer. Definite insurance for the problems of playing live. On the bright side, there was some very cool stuff played that I hadn't heard before. A track with a guitar sample was my favorite. We can only hope that the new deal with Virgin will allow more access to this music. As we were unloading into the harbor, I had a brief chance to talk to Michael. The one question, "When are we going to see Bluff Limbo?" He reacted instantly. Apparently he isn't very pleased over the situation and is on the verge of trying to get the rights back from Rephlex. It was apparent that the 1000 promo-only release wasn't his idea and that Rephlex has dropped the ball on this one. He did mention the fact that he and Richard James had just recorded a joint release that would be released soon on Rephlex, but this was only happening because Richard was the money-maker for the label. When we left the boat, we noticed Michael and his girlfriend ripping apart the promoter over the sound system. It really didn't reflect very well upon them. I can imagine that getting sound on a boat is a problem enough, but they were making this enormous scene in front of several onlookers who weren't impressed in the least. What good did all this do after the fact? It only appeared to be extending the verbal blaming of the sound system for problems in the performance. The "star quality" (and I don't mean good) of the grumpy couple was only enhanced when we saw them forced to crawl into the back of a Subaru hatchback because the rest of the car was full. This was an extreme pleasure to see from the three Internet denizens who watched it happen, myself, Miles, and Greg Earle. Michael is brilliant when it comes to music, but he's got a lot to learn about dealing with people.
1995-04-25 19:39Mark KolmarThat is the same impression I get at nearly any show I attend. This makes me less-than-ent
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Mark Kolmar
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Pete Ashdown
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Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:39:20 -0500 (CDT)
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Re: American music scene
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That is the same impression I get at nearly any show I attend. This makes me less-than-enthusiastic about attending shows, or doing a live show myself. It's as though the performance is merely a soundtrack for a social event, instead of a group of people assembling to hear music being played. On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Pete Ashdown wrote:
quoted 5 lines It seemed that about 10% of the crowd> It seemed that about 10% of the crowd > (which numbered around 400) was there to see muZiq perform. The rest was > there for the "party on a boat". A definite bleak outline of the American > music scene, since it would almost be impossible to justify a muZiq tour of > the states.
1995-04-24 22:03Joe Marougi - 3576253Whoever reviewed that Mu-ziq boat party in San Francisco should lighten up. People out the
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Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:03:43 -0700 (PDT)
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Whoever reviewed that Mu-ziq boat party in San Francisco should lighten up. People out there don't need to hear about what went on after the show (especially if it was something negative). You don't even know what happened. I was there and I know exactly what happened, but you don't say that garbage. It's bad enough we have regular negative media, we don't need that stuff here. I hope that I speak for at least a few people. Instead of being happy that we were fortunate to see a talent like Mike perform, you have to end your article by saying that he NEEDS to learn how to deal with people?! We hung out all day on Sunday, and I'd bet you that he was more of a pleasure to hang out with than you would ever be. I'm surprised that you didn't follow him in the bathroom to see what it would smell like. ...Why couldn't you just report on the performance as your title suggests? You did a pretty good job at that. I guess we should all feel so lucky for having such detail-oriented reporters out there.
1995-04-24 23:14Pete Ashdown>Whoever reviewed that Mu-ziq boat party in San Francisco should lighten up. >People out t
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Pete Ashdown
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Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:14:06 -0600 (MDT)
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Re: muZiq in San Francisco - review
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quoted 8 lines Whoever reviewed that Mu-ziq boat party in San Francisco should lighten up.>Whoever reviewed that Mu-ziq boat party in San Francisco should lighten up. >People out there don't need to hear about what went on after the show >(especially if it was something negative). > >You don't even know what happened. I was there and I know exactly what >happened, but you don't say that garbage. It's bad enough we have regular >negative media, we don't need that stuff here. I hope that I speak for at >least a few people.
Oh bullshit. I've dealt with enough primadona "rock stars" to have a bad taste in my mouth whenever I see another one. What I saw after the boat was a bunch of bloated crap about a soundsystem causing all the problems in a performance. To hear Mike's girlfriend scream about, "Do you have any idea what you've done?" makes the promoter seem like an extreme asshole for an equipment breakdown that had just ruined muZiq's career. To see the both of them do it in front of a crowd of people who had otherwise had a good time makes them seem even more pickled (YES, I WAS THERE TOO).
quoted 3 lines Instead of being happy that we were fortunate to see a> Instead of being happy that we were fortunate to see a >talent like Mike perform, you have to end your article by saying that he >NEEDS to learn how to deal with people?!
He does. The reception I got from him was less than warm and I was trying to be polite in asking a question. Miles said a friendly "Hello" to him on the deck and got less than a grunt. He seemed less than happy to be on a boat with the rest of the great unwashed. I take Mike's comment, "Don't bother with the Internet, its just filled with nerds" as an insult and a blindsided injury. I was happy to see him perform, but I was also disappointed to see such assinine behavior when he wasn't behind the keyboards.
quoted 4 lines We hung out all day on Sunday, and> We hung out all day on Sunday, and >I'd bet you that he was more of a pleasure to hang out with than you would >ever be. I'm surprised that you didn't follow him in the bathroom to see >what it would smell like.
Very intelligent.
quoted 3 lines ...Why couldn't you just report on the performance as your title suggests?>...Why couldn't you just report on the performance as your title suggests? >You did a pretty good job at that. I guess we should all feel so lucky >for having such detail-oriented reporters out there.
Welcome to the Internet clown.
1995-04-25 04:38Kent WilliamsOn Apr 24, 5:14pm, Pete Ashdown wrote: > > We hung out all day on Sunday, and > >I'd bet y
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Mon, 24 Apr 1995 23:38:10 -0500
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Re: muZiq in San Francisco - review
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On Apr 24, 5:14pm, Pete Ashdown wrote:
quoted 3 lines We hung out all day on Sunday, and> > We hung out all day on Sunday, and > >I'd bet you that he was more of a pleasure to hang out with than you would > >ever be.
I didn't catch your name on the original post and Peter left it out on his reply. But here's the deal: 1. The tone of your comments is decidely belligerent and tactless, and if you had a valid point, it got lost in the shouting. Y'all catch more flys with honey than vinegar, dude. 2. I HAVE spent part of an afternoon with Peter, and I found him to be a pleasant, personable guy. If he found me to be a doofus, he kept it to himself. I wouldn't mind spending an afternoon with M.P. I'm sure he's better behaved in more relaxed surroundings then he is after a set on a rocking boat with shorting equipment for a small crowd. But Peter's point on his behavior is valid. I would chalk it up to another case of success being wasted on the young ... As for Peter's comments about MP being kind of a jerk, that's par for the course, though I would tend to cut him a little more slack. The problem famous people have is that they're not always in the mood to be famous gracefully. No one except my wife is around to seem me throw my hissy fits, a fact for which I'm gratefal. -- kent.williams@cadsi.com -- All views expressed are. If God has any taste at all, people like Pat Robertson make him spew chunks.