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1995-04-22 08:40vilexileThis is probably an old question, but I poked around and couldn't find any answers...I am

From:: vilexile <einexile@netcom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 01:40:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Richard Kirk questions

This is probably an old question, but I poked around and couldn't find any answers...I am wondering what exactly the difference is between the various Richard Kirk side projects. I have only experience of Electronic Eye, Sandoz, and his proper solo project. What puzzles me is the 'written by Kirk, arranged by Sandoz' type credit that is on these records. It seems, because of that, to be more than just a choice of different project names--and also because the projects are so different from one another. So how does one put together this sort of music with that kind of 'band' configuration? I have this absurd image in my mind of Kirk sitting at a piano playing out simple melodies, then handing them off to some flunkies like a film composer would, for arrangment/orchestration. Nah. But what, then? I'm also a little confused by the notes in The Conversation. I haven't got it with me at the moment, but at one point it seems to give credit to Kirk for the entire album. Elsewhere it credits Mallinder also. (Spelling? Sorry.) Quite a while back, Tower Records (and, I imagine, other stores) put almost all of their Mute/Elektra stock in cutouts for like $5 a disc, and I stupidly passed up the opportunity to buy up literally dozens of CV albums. By any chance does anyone here know of a store, *anywhere*, that still has a bunch of Cabaret Voltaire cutouts? I can no longer find the domestics for sale, and completing my collection with imports would likely cost me well over a thousand dollars. No. Thanks for any help, einexile, scourge of wsd-l and leading 5ep apologist

1995-04-22 17:58Mark KolmarI maintain a CV discography: http://ccs.nslsilus.org/~mkolmar/music/CabaretVoltaire.html I

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@ccs.nslsilus.org>
To:: vilexile <einexile@netcom.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:58:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: Richard Kirk questions
Reply to:: Richard Kirk questions

I maintain a CV discography: http://ccs.nslsilus.org/~mkolmar/music/CabaretVoltaire.html Info taken almost totally from my personal collection. So you've come to the right place. This will sound rather vague, but: First, I don't hear what I'd call a big difference between the projects. Though there is a certain flavor that each one has. Not enough to my mind to warrant different project names, but then I do heavy "industrial", experimental noise, the occasional dance track, and anything else--and one day when someone sees fit to release this stuff (it would help if I had any grip on how to market and promote) it all falls under the name "Burning Rome". Except for the Sweet Exorcist project, I believe Kirk composes it all himself. Sweet Exorcist is a collaboration with DJ Parrot. The credits for Sandoz say "Arranged and produced by Sandoz". No writing credit that I remember. Similar for Electronic Eye--"Arranged and produced by the Electronic Eye". I have a couple theories about the names. Notice that Sandoz is released by Touch. Sandoz is also the name of a large pharmaceutical company, so I could easily see problems with domestic release (Comsat Angels were CS Angels in the US after being sued by Commucations Sattelite.) The older Sweet Exorcist was on Warp, but the last one was also on Touch. The solo album was on Warp. Another solo album is reputedly coming out on Warp in the next couple months. Electronic Eye is on Beyond. Label politics? Another theory is that each project just represents a different method of working, or a particular kind of result regardless of method. Sweet Exorcist, at least the last album, uses a lot of lifted tribal beats. Sandoz seems heavier on the sampling. The Kirk solo stuff is a little more ambient and weird. And the Cabaret Voltaire has more edginess to it. As far as the Conversation is concerned, I'm pretty sure Mal is in Australia, and Kirk has the go-ahead to proceed without him. Mal is probably there only in spirit but CV is Kirk/Mallinder. (Maybe like late-Beatles "Lennon/McCartney" writing credits.) Mal is more the socialite, and Kirk was never much for travel or playing live. I can keep an eye out for CV CDs. Which do you want? I'd be glad to recommend standouts. Some of the albums are "real albums" and some are kind-of "asides".

1995-04-24 17:37Stephen Oldmeadow> As far as the Conversation is concerned, I'm pretty sure Mal is in > Australia, and Kirk

From:: Stephen Oldmeadow <stepheno@cougar.multiline.com.au>
To:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@ccs.nslsilus.org>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:37:44 +0000
Subject:: Re: Richard Kirk questions
Reply to:: Re: Richard Kirk questions

quoted 2 lines As far as the Conversation is concerned, I'm pretty sure Mal is in

> As far as the Conversation is concerned, I'm pretty sure Mal is in > Australia, and Kirk has the go-ahead to proceed without him. Mal is

He is indeed in Australia. Perth, Western Australia (my home town) to be exact. I heard him interviewed on a radio program and what he said implied he had input into "The Conversation" but he did not say what input. Interestingly he stated that an album took about 2 weeks to record after about 2-3 months preparation. He was also quite modest about Cabaret Voltaire's past achievements. He does a radio show every 5-6 weeks so I will ring him and ask him what the deal is with all the Richard Kirk projects. Steve

1995-04-24 06:57Red Friday Party People> Quite a while back, Tower Records (and, I imagine, other stores) put > almost all of the

From:: Red Friday Party People <A72928@ngynfs02.eskom.co.za>
To:: vilexile <einexile@netcom.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:57:17 GMT+2
Subject:: Re: Richard Kirk questions

quoted 7 lines Quite a while back, Tower Records (and, I imagine, other stores) put

> Quite a while back, Tower Records (and, I imagine, other stores) put > almost all of their Mute/Elektra stock in cutouts for like $5 a disc, and > I stupidly passed up the opportunity to buy up literally dozens of CV > albums. By any chance does anyone here know of a store, *anywhere*, that > still has a bunch of Cabaret Voltaire cutouts? I can no longer find the > domestics for sale, and completing my collection with imports would > likely cost me well over a thousand dollars. No.

Umm... Something interesting, if you're after the early Cab Volt recordings (70's and early 80's). Mute in the U.K. and Sire in the U.S. re-released Cab Volt's entire Rough Trade back catalog as well as some albums that I had not seen on Rough Trade like _The Living Legends_ which is a complitation of B-Sides and Singles (like Silent Command, Nag Nag Nag, & Is that Someone Finding Me at the Door Again). These are all mid-price recordings and retail in S.Africa for between 1/2 and 2/3 the price of full imports... Should be available as domestics in the U.S. though cos thats where some of my discs come from... The Rough Trade period was C.V.'s first phase STS. IT was when Christopher Watson was still playing the Vox Continential Organ with Mal & Kirk. Mal played the bongos and screamed into vocoders. Kirk used a steam driven (no joke) drum machine and "cheap 3 quid guitars". You can really hear the deep influence that the Velvet Underground and Can had on Mal, Kirk & Watson. Trainspotter question... did Cab Volt form in 1972 or 1974? Chillos Matthew

1995-04-24 16:38Chris.Hilker>Mute in the U.K. and Sire in the U.S. re-released Cab Volt's >entire Rough Trade back cat

From:: Chris.Hilker <cspot@hyperreal.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: Richard Kirk questions
Reply to:: Re: Richard Kirk questions

quoted 2 lines Mute in the U.K. and Sire in the U.S. re-released Cab Volt's

>Mute in the U.K. and Sire in the U.S. re-released Cab Volt's >entire Rough Trade back catalog

That was Restless in the US. The reissue program was taken over by Mute/Elektra towards the end, after the Restless/Enigma fiasco.

quoted 2 lines Should be available as

>Should be available as >domestics in the U.S.

They should be, but they're long since deleted. C. -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) ...electro-spiritual in composition...

1995-04-24 17:50Stephen OldmeadowOn Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Red Friday Party People wrote: > > Trainspotter question... did Cab V

From:: Stephen Oldmeadow <stepheno@cougar.multiline.com.au>
To:: Red Friday Party People <A72928@ngynfs02.eskom.co.za>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:50:35 +0000
Subject:: Re: Richard Kirk questions
Reply to:: Re: Richard Kirk questions

On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Red Friday Party People wrote:

quoted 3 lines Trainspotter question... did Cab Volt form in 1972 or 1974?

> > Trainspotter question... did Cab Volt form in 1972 or 1974? >

1916 in Zurich wasn't it? Serioulsy though in Fish's "Art of the Sixth Sense" it seems to indicate 1973 so I guess 1972 must be the right answer - despite there being a cassette release called "Cabaret Voltaire 1974-1976". Steve.

1995-04-24 19:45Mark KolmarI'd have to vote 1974. In any case I am not aware of any recordings, even unreleased or lo

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@ccs.nslsilus.org>
To:: Red Friday Party People <A72928@ngynfs02.eskom.co.za>
Cc:: vilexile <einexile@netcom.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:45:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: Richard Kirk questions
Reply to:: Re: Richard Kirk questions

I'd have to vote 1974. In any case I am not aware of any recordings, even unreleased or lost, earlier than that. On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Red Friday Party People wrote:

quoted 1 line Trainspotter question... did Cab Volt form in 1972 or 1974?

> Trainspotter question... did Cab Volt form in 1972 or 1974?

1995-04-24 15:36Jon Drukman>> Quite a while back, Tower Records (and, I imagine, other stores) put >> almost all of t

From:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:36:02 -0700
Subject:: Re: Richard Kirk questions

quoted 7 lines Quite a while back, Tower Records (and, I imagine, other stores) put

>> Quite a while back, Tower Records (and, I imagine, other stores) put >> almost all of their Mute/Elektra stock in cutouts for like $5 a disc, and >> I stupidly passed up the opportunity to buy up literally dozens of CV >> albums. By any chance does anyone here know of a store, *anywhere*, that >> still has a bunch of Cabaret Voltaire cutouts? I can no longer find the >> domestics for sale, and completing my collection with imports would >> likely cost me well over a thousand dollars. No.

tower outlet in san francisco had a bunch the other day... hai, live at the lyceum, mix up, 2x45 and maybe a few others. -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd

Re: Richard Kirk questions