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1995-03-22 09:34Erkki Rautio NME discussion
└─ 1995-03-22 22:55Hans Veneman Re: NME discussion
└─ 1995-03-23 17:15Matthew Lehrer Re: NME discussion
└─ 1995-03-23 17:44Re: NME discussion
1995-04-02 16:20matt23 Re: NME discussion
├─ 1995-04-02 21:51Hans Veneman Re: NME discussion
│ └─ 1995-04-02 22:58Matthew Lehrer Re: NME discussion
└─ 1995-04-02 22:35Sung Shim Re: NME discussion
1995-04-03 18:32Julian Sominka Re: NME discussion
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1995-03-22 09:34Erkki Rautio(This thread started on the Ambient list, but I'd like to expand it to the IDM list also,
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(This thread started on the Ambient list, but I'd like to expand it to the IDM list also, since I think it is well worth discussing. So flame me if you think it's just a waste of bandwidth...) Just my 2 cents (or 2 _ecus_, as we say here in EUrope ;) to the ongoing NME discussion: yes, I agree with everyone about their "hype 'em, and after you've done it to death, start the backlash" politics concerning all these here-today-gone-tomorrow bands like Oasis, Elastica, et al. But my main reason for reading these papers is that there is *not* really much info available on techno, IDM and ambient music, which I think are my main interests at the moment, so you have to take all you can get. For example, NME has their weekly 'Vibes' column with the artists' interviews and reviews for the new releases, from which, I have to admit, I have gathered lots of useful information during the last few years (not to talk about forwarding it to these lists, as every IDMer must have noticed ;) If not for these mailing lists and some tidbits in Alt.rave and Alt.music.techno every now and then (among the irritating flame wars which are the main reason I don't read those news groups too often), and those more enlightened sources in the mainstream music media, everything you'd get on the new releases and artists would be the word of mouth and rumours. Also, you'd have to buy lots of useless stuff, because there would be no one to ask about what is cool and what is not... (But maybe it wouldn't be 'underground' enough anymore, and it would be losing its credibility? ;) I think there *ought* to be an international magazine specialized only to the electronic (listening and dance) music in its various forms: techno, IDM, ambient, electro, jungle, and so on. But before someone with the knowledge and financial resources needed gets on the business, all we have is the information gathered here from the Net and these various sometimes-reliable-more-often-not sources in the mainstream music magazines - like NME, Melody Maker, Select, Spin, Rolling Stone (*grin*): the list goes on and on... Yes, I know there are DJ and Mixmag in Britain, Frontpage in Germany, various 'underground' magazines and fanzines around the world, but to my experience, none of these have covered all these genres without falling to their own biases, unexperted and outright amateurish writing, record company hype (but this seems to be more a practice than an exception), etc. So there are a lot of questions unsolved, and I'd like to hear everyone else's ideas on this, after unsuccessfully trying to launch our own dance music magazine here in Finland last year (called 'ex' - a desperate attempt to cash on the 'Generation X' hype?). Which mercifully died after only three issues published, due to the lack of interest, money, time and synergy needed from its writers and contributors :( Greetings, ERkki, Tampere, Finland <trerra@uta.fi>
1995-03-22 22:55Hans Veneman>I think there *ought* to be an international magazine specialized only >to the electronic
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quoted 8 lines I think there *ought* to be an international magazine specialized only>I think there *ought* to be an international magazine specialized only >to the electronic (listening and dance) music in its various forms: >techno, IDM, ambient, electro, jungle, and so on. But before someone >with the knowledge and financial resources needed gets on the business, >all we have is the information gathered here from the Net and these >various sometimes-reliable-more-often-not sources in the mainstream >music magazines - like NME, Melody Maker, Select, Spin, Rolling Stone >(*grin*): the list goes on and on...
IPC (the publishers of NME, Melody Maker & more) are launching a new monthly magazine called Muzik in may 1995. The publishers themselves say it will be the world's first truly authoritative dance music magazine.... Hans -- +----------------------------+ | Hans Veneman | | veneman@tv99ad.xs4all.nl | | phone: +31(0)3200-35266 | +----------------------------+ http://www.xs4all.nl/~tv99ad
1995-03-23 17:15Matthew LehrerOn Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Hans Veneman wrote: > IPC (the publishers of NME, Melody Maker & more
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On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Hans Veneman wrote:
quoted 4 lines IPC (the publishers of NME, Melody Maker & more) are launching a new> IPC (the publishers of NME, Melody Maker & more) are launching a new > monthly magazine called Muzik in may 1995. The publishers themselves > say it will be the world's first truly authoritative dance music > magazine....
Hey now...what about Manchester's excellent Jockey Slut mag? They don't really have the best distribution, but they are completely on-the-ball and cover a nice, varied range of underground dance music. Check it out... - Matthew
1995-03-23 17:44JAMESS@firefox.co.uk> Hey now...what about Manchester's excellent Jockey Slut mag? They don't > really have th
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quoted 4 lines Hey now...what about Manchester's excellent Jockey Slut mag? They don't> Hey now...what about Manchester's excellent Jockey Slut mag? They don't > really have the best distribution, but they are completely on-the-ball > and cover a nice, varied range of underground dance music. Check it out.... >
Anyone know where I can get this in Birmingham (UK). It must be around somewhere but I've never seen it - only ever come across it referred to in the other mags eg DJ, Mixmag. I dunno, but every dance mag always seems to gravitate towards clubbing (by which I mean the standard house nights which seem to dominate the current magazine listings) and the house end of the music. Generator is the most "techno" mag widely available here, and even they've been erring on getting housier, though one or two letters of complaint have been registered there. Of course its only natural that a mag which relates to "dance" music should include clubbing as a subject, but I'm just hoping that this new publication (Muzik) can keep enough attention away from the mainstream house/handbag/garage side of things and really give the techno, ambient, dub, tripped out and generally less commercial scene a real look in, especially in terms of reviews, and seeking out those clubs where it's not all about ecstasy, dressing up and 125bpm. got that off my chest. later, J ^ __ ___ ___ _ __ __ (__` | (_ /_\ | \ \_/ _ | .__) | (___ / \ |__/ / \_| steady-J@firefox.co.uk
1995-04-02 16:20matt23> On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Hans Veneman wrote: > > ....new monthly magazine called Muzik....th
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quoted 3 lines On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Hans Veneman wrote:> On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Hans Veneman wrote: > > ....new monthly magazine called Muzik....the world's first truly > > authoritative dance music magazine....
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quoted 3 lines Hey now...what about Manchester's excellent Jockey Slut mag? They don't> Hey now...what about Manchester's excellent Jockey Slut mag? They don't > really have the best distribution, but they are completely on-the-ball > and cover a nice, varied range of underground dance music. Check it out...
anyone checked out herb garden? comes out whenever they get round to it. completely takes the piss, a brilliant read. comes from leeds in the north of england. for `losers, users and substance abusers' later matt ------------------------------ matt isxmcd@evn1.nott.ac.uk ------------------------------ purveyor of mad lifted beats ------------------------------
1995-04-02 21:51Hans Veneman>> On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Hans Veneman wrote: >> > ....new monthly magazine called Muzik....
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quoted 3 lines On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Hans Veneman wrote:>> On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Hans Veneman wrote: >> > ....new monthly magazine called Muzik....the world's first truly >> > authoritative dance music magazine....
Hey, i didn't say it will be an authoritative dance mag, the makers of Muzik said! :) May will bring us the first issue, so we'll see. It seems the distribution will be quite big....
quoted 1 line anyone checked out herb garden?> anyone checked out herb garden?
Aren't Jockey Slut & Herb Garden only available in the UK? I've never seen them here (=The Netherlands) anyway, not even in specialised shops... Cheers, Hans -- +----------------------------+ | Hans Veneman | | veneman@tv99ad.xs4all.nl | | phone: +31(0)3200-35266 | +----------------------------+ http://www.xs4all.nl/~tv99ad
1995-04-02 22:58Matthew LehrerOn Sun, 2 Apr 1995, Hans Veneman wrote: > Aren't Jockey Slut & Herb Garden only available
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On Sun, 2 Apr 1995, Hans Veneman wrote:
quoted 3 lines Aren't Jockey Slut & Herb Garden only available in the UK? I've never> Aren't Jockey Slut & Herb Garden only available in the UK? I've never > seen them here (=The Netherlands) anyway, not even in specialised > shops...
Jockey Slut does mail order. That's how I got a copy sent to me in the US. - Matthew
1995-04-02 22:35Sung ShimOn Sun, 2 Apr 1995, matt23 wrote: > anyone checked out herb garden? > comes out whenever t
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On Sun, 2 Apr 1995, matt23 wrote:
quoted 5 lines anyone checked out herb garden?> anyone checked out herb garden? > comes out whenever they get round to it. > completely takes the piss, a brilliant read. > comes from leeds in the north of england. > for `losers, users and substance abusers'
yeah i checked that out a few weeks ago, noticed the gorgeous femme on the cover and checked it out, worth a check sung - -- (mRay) z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu
1995-04-03 18:32Julian Sominka> Hey, i didn't say it will be an authoritative dance mag, the makers of > Muzik said! :)
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quoted 10 lines Hey, i didn't say it will be an authoritative dance mag, the makers of> Hey, i didn't say it will be an authoritative dance mag, the makers of > Muzik said! :) May will bring us the first issue, so we'll see. It > seems the distribution will be quite big.... > > > anyone checked out herb garden? > > Aren't Jockey Slut & Herb Garden only available in the UK? I've never > seen them here (=The Netherlands) anyway, not even in specialised > shops... >
The new isssue of the Herb Garden is just out and if brilliant. The subscriptions page doesn't mention foreign subs (in the UK it's 20 uk pounds and you get their calendar free). Their address is: The Herb Garden PO Box 66 Leeds LS2 7XH Tel: 0113-2371888 Fax: 0113-2370712 email: F@*koff{U/C.U.next/tuesday -- Julian Sominka