On Sat, 4 Feb 1995, MORGAN GEIST wrote:
quoted 11 lines Hardfloor, do these guys have a formula down or what). Minimalism and
> >Hardfloor, do these guys have a formula down or what). Minimalism and
> >use of the 303 is like painting in black and white, there have been some
> >incredible pieces of art. However, I am ready to hear the sound of
> >shit-brown,
> >neon green, piss yellow, flourescent orange, etc..........We have the
> >motherfucking technology, now would someone please blow my mind with sound!
>
>
> To have your mind blown with sound, just plug in an oldie or a crazy new synth
> and twiddle. Spend hours and hours mutating sampled noises with synth sounds
> like I used to do. It's fun.
Yes it is, I have done it. I was refering to sound as in songs as a
whole.
quoted 6 lines But placement of that sound, *effective* placement of that sound, is quite
>
> But placement of that sound, *effective* placement of that sound, is quite
> difficult. I think Dan Bell was talking about this a while back. Also
> Jamie Hodge was talking about the emotion in old Derrick May pieces.
> Some black and white pieces are mindblowing...you just have to sort
> through the hundreds of uninspired peices first.....
exactly, too much shit. Some is really killer, but much is too lame.
Why don't more people try to create full on sounding tracks with many
layers and many sequences with the 303 as well as other equipment....(I
doesn't have to be all analogue ya know, the sampler can create some
amazing sounds). The minamilist 303 Acid Trax has been done just about
enough!!!! How many more times will it be tried and released on vinyl.
This is
sort of off-topic,
quoted 9 lines but the color analogy reminded me...that embossed, all-white "Wired" cover
> but the color analogy reminded me...that embossed, all-white "Wired" cover
> was the most intriguing, eye-catching magazine cover I've seen in years! :)
> I think my attraction to that cover is the same reaon I was attracted to
> DBX, some excellent acid tracks, Dance Mania etc...there is an incredible
> amount of energy with very few ingredients.
>
> I agree to some extent about the idol-worship Detroit thing, but there
> are also huge gaps where there shouldn't be. Sorry, but I think it's true.
> A lot of this has to do with racism, I'd say..
racism? Your not accusing me of it? (unclear) If so, race has not one
fucking thing to do with why I like/dislike music. I mentioned nothing
about race or color, I could care less if some of the musicians are black
or white, half of them I have never even seen pictures of, so I don't
even no what colot they are unless they bring it up themselves in
interviews. Frankly, the racist accusation is way too of a typical
response when talking about Detroit techno, you almost sound like you are
rehashing things you have read.
.after enough
"coincidences"
quoted 2 lines things start to reek of racism, even subliminally...a lot of black artists
> things start to reek of racism, even subliminally...a lot of black artists
> I've read about seem to have had many "coincidences"
I am saying that there are not coincidences, that these people are fully
aware of what the others are saying in interviews and rehashing the same
words. It is almost like a few of these guys got the ball rolling and
now the new generation is just living off the others words and
reputations to furthur thier careers.
It is just like when the ambient techno thing got hyped up in late 93 and
everyone started mentioning Tangerine Dream as an influence, where as
before nobody said shit about Tangerine Dream (in the techno community).
eh? Plus I really doubt
quoted 29 lines all of the Detroit guys got together and did a master plan for the press about
> all of the Detroit guys got together and did a master plan for the press about
> Electrifying Mojo and all of that....c'mon eh?
>
> I'm biased in two directions: 1) I love Detroit sounds and records 2) I
> hate hype and "cool"... Therefore, I trust my perceptions because the
> two biases balance each other to some extent. Yeah, Detroit stuff is
> hyped by Europeans etc. but I think much of that enthusiasm (in the form
> of hype) is well-deserved.
>
> Lastly, there was mention of the 303 and the same machines being used over and
> over. Well...point taken. I agree in some respects here, especially with the
> floods of boring acid records. It's also a little disturbing that with a
> little know-how and the right machines, many, many people can pump out
> songs which by chance emulate greater songs using the same machines. I also
> admire people who carve their own non-Roland path...I was glad to see
> Reload's gear list last year w/ the HR16 etc... HOWEVER! I think there
> are some misunderstandings about the same machines being used over and over.
> I personally use many commonly-known Roland machines because I love their
> sound! It bothers me that I'm using equipment that everyone else is
> using, but the love of their sound and workings overpowers the unoriginality
> nuisance. I'm probably not succeeding, but I try to use that "common machine"
> problem as a motivation to make each track that much more emotional or
> energetic or inspiring. Whatever... It just pissed me off reading the
> Rephlex manifesto where they're like "R.I.P TR909!!!".... I know that
> may have been tongue-in-cheek, but I think they're really missing a point.
> I could very easily make my own drum sounds and carve a nice groove out of
> them...those crunchy Rephlex beats kick!...but I, and many others, consciously
> choose to use a 909 or and 808 or what have you because of love for the
> machines.
That is fine to love the machines. Should everyone be trying to make
money off of something they love? The whole thing comes down to $$$$, I
just think a lot of people are releasing records to make money, not to
advance the music form of techno. Juan Atkins and all those guys say
Techno is future music, well why are so many people trying to recreate
songs made in the past (recreating and influencing are very different).
The future of Techno does not live in the old machines, it lives in new
machines, new recording techniques, new experimentation, use of the
sampler, crossing equipment, modifying equipment, and whatever else anyone
wants to do, no rules. Acknowledge the old, brink for the new.
My philosophy: Fuck the machines. The sound should tell the whole
story, I couldn't care if a bass sound came from a Juno 106 or a baby
farting. If the sound is cool the sound is cool. But when you can
automatically tell where the sound comes from it get to be a little
cliche. I feel this is what is meant by Rip 909 from Rephlex. The 909
has been used so many times. A lot of what constitutes what is a classic
sound has to do with how recognizable it is, not how great of a sound it
was originally.
quoted 1 line This is getting pretentious! But
> > This is getting pretentious! But
it's true eh! > > -morgan
geist > Maybe so, but I find it interesting, thanks for the response, I
will shut up now.
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