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quoted 5 lines So 'Spanners' is on GPR and not Warp then? I thought I remembered seeing an

>> So 'Spanners' is on GPR and not Warp then? I thought I remembered seeing an >> "upcoming Warp releases" list that included it... > >I thought MMMorris said something about the white label he had being from >GPR, but I'm not at all positive.

"Spanners" is released on Warp. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se <http://www.update.uu.se/~chris/>

Spanners rules, by far the best Black Dog work and an amazing record released so far this year. The thing that kept jumping at me was the amount of Eastern sounding samples worked seamlessly into the rest of the music, simply great. The coherency of the pieces is another point that has kept the CD in my player since last week when I bought it. Some other notables from past few weeks: The Source Experience, 9 Lazy 9 ( on NinjaTunes, i.e. very trippy jazzy stuff with some tracks bordering ambient- techno sounds), Laswell/Inoue collaboration, and Paradise 3001 (I wish this one had some more fattness to its sounds, but the music is great). Mohsen

quoted 2 lines Spanners rules, by far the best Black Dog work and an amazing record

>Spanners rules, by far the best Black Dog work and an amazing record >released so far this year. The thing that kept jumping at me was the

Everyone is saying this! I just want to say that I still like BYTES best, by far. Byte me, as Teep has said. On another note, who runs IFACH? -morgan geist

quoted 5 lines Spanners rules, by far the best Black Dog work and an amazing record

> >Spanners rules, by far the best Black Dog work and an amazing record > >released so far this year. The thing that kept jumping at me was the > > Everyone is saying this! > I just want to say that I still like BYTES best, by far.

i agree bytes is still one of my favorite cds, i listen to it twice a day, once before dinner and then again before bedtime, i simply just can't get enough.

quoted 3 lines On another note, who runs IFACH?

> > On another note, who runs IFACH? >

i believe this is Baby Ford's label, you remember him don't you? cheers, kuri

On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, MORGAN GEIST wrote:

quoted 1 line On another note, who runs IFACH?

> On another note, who runs IFACH?

As far as I know, Ifach records is owned and operated by none other than Peter "Baby" Ford. - Matthew

Alright.. I'm gonna get plowed for this one, but I think that the new BDP, while complicated and sophisticated, is by far their worst yet.. The Balil style melody are distinctly absent.. I just found little of inspiring.. I still think the last track on Bytes, the funk track on Temple, and "Choke and Fly" by Balil are their best.. This is not a dis.. They're too good an outfit for that.. Jamie

In article: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950123221952.28313A-100000@bingsun1> br00243@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu writes:

quoted 2 lines As far as I know, Ifach records is owned and operated by none other than

> As far as I know, Ifach records is owned and operated by none other than > Peter "Baby" Ford.

And it's manufactured and distributed by those nice people at Kudos Records !! _______________________ .' `. | ---\ | Kudos Records Limited | -----\ ---\ | Unit 1, Canada House | \--\ ----\ | Blackburn Road | ----------\ | London NW6 1RZ | --\ ---\ | | --\ ---\ | PH: 071 372 0391 | --\ ----\ | FX: 071 372 0392 | | E-mail danny@kudos.demon.co.uk `._______________________.' or KUDOS@CIS.compuServe.com

Having belatedly gotten Black Dog's "Spanners", I disagree mightily with vilexile's panning of the album. Granted, it's emotionally removed from "Bytes", which IMHO is the most cohesive IDM album yet, junking "Bytes" pensive brooding and highlighting BD's sense of humor. But it IS still inventive and engaging, a self-amused arabesque of wanton dynamic and tempo changes. Just don't bring your dancing shoes. Another hook thrown to the cognoscenti, related to the Best/worst release on WARP thread. Who do you think are the most overrated and underrated artists working in IDM? My vote for overrated has to go to Richie Hawtin. Perhaps I don't have the attention span for undeveloped riffs that Plastikman demands. Later. -- Computers are /\ Darryl Roy dsroy@rice.edu /\ Die in your thoughts useless, they //\\ ethno/trance/ethereal radio //\\ every morning and can only give \\// Sun 7-9 am 91.7 fm Houston \\// you will no longer you answers : \/ Picasso Don't rock, Wobble \/ fear Death : Hakakure

On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Darryl Stephen Roy wrote:

quoted 2 lines My vote for overrated has to go to Richie Hawtin. Perhaps I don't have the

> My vote for overrated has to go to Richie Hawtin. Perhaps I don't have the > attention span for undeveloped riffs that Plastikman demands.

I like Plastikman, but I lent the CD to an emusic-making co-worker, and he said "That guy's lazy!", refering to the repetitive beats. :) I just thought it was funny. -Jim . . . . <skoop+@pitt.edu>:DaTaMaTiON.pRoJeKcT.95 ('repetition.is.a.form.of.change')

quoted 5 lines Who do you think are the most overrated and underrated

>Who do you think are the most overrated and underrated >artists working in IDM? > >My vote for overrated has to go to Richie Hawtin. Perhaps I don't have the >attention span for undeveloped riffs that Plastikman demands.

Jon Drukman summed up my feelings on Plastikman well in his controversial comments of several months ago (but let's not get into THAT again). As for underrated, how could it be anybody but Richard Kirk? Put "Lagoon West," "Harmonic Parallel," and "Exterminating Angel (Outro)" against *anybody's* three best tracks and see what you think. This guy gets next to zero press, probably because he's too much of a class act to say "outrageous" things in interviews or adopt bizarre habits - in short, he isn't willing to be a publicity whore. And can we not just have this turn into Overrated: Artist A Underrated: Artist B please? If you don't have anything to say about why you think an artist is over or underrated (or why a particular Warp release is bad, or what you like about a particular record cover), then why post? And don't let's start posting top ten lists again, as is starting to happen on the ambient list. Nothing gets the D key quicker. C. -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!"

quoted 3 lines And don't let's

>>And don't let's >>start posting top ten lists again, as is starting to happen on the ambient >>list. Nothing gets the D key quicker.

No offense Chris - but personally - I find top ten lists to be extremely entertaining. It is good to see what people hold as near and dear to their hearts - especially when there are so many people on here that take it so seriously. It is the first thing I turn to in DJ mags and I find it a good way not only so see where various people are coming from musically - but to see whose opinion you might trust in reviews, comments, etc. as well as catching up on release you might have missed. So you go on and use that D key miss thang - I hope people do continue to post top 10 lists. XX OO - Kevin Farnham - kevin@organic.com - - Organic Online - Hedonic Engineering - Select Media - - Graphic Design - Intelligent Lighting Programming - WWW Production -

On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Darryl Stephen Roy wrote:

quoted 2 lines My vote for overrated has to go to Richie Hawtin. Perhaps I don't have the

> My vote for overrated has to go to Richie Hawtin. Perhaps I don't have the > attention span for undeveloped riffs that Plastikman demands.

I'm still not sure why Hawtin is grouped under IDM. It seems like one album in the AI series has left people's expectations a bit high. IMHO, Hawtin is essentially an acid-house producer who tries to be a bit more experimental and abstract within the acid-house genre. And more power to him, I say. While he is capabe of smoother, more Detroit-ish tracks (Dimension Intrusion comes to mind), his forte will always be 303 dancefloor minimalism...with a twist. Someone on this list (I forget exactly who) mentioned the gap between the IDM-list aesthetic and the Detroit-list aesthetic. I think it was a really apt observation, especially when applied to a guy like Hawtin. The IDM aesthetic seems to revolve around a lot of polyrythmic drum programming and melodic synth arrangements, whereas Detroiter's are more accepting of a bit of stripped-down minimalism here and there. Any thoughts or comments? - Matthew "I grew up thinking that techno music is actually something that you can't imagine. That is techno at its best. If you hear something that you'd never expect to hear - that's techno. If you hear something that kind of sounds like you've heard it before, then it's not techno." - Jeff Mills

quoted 6 lines Someone on this list (I forget exactly who) mentioned the gap between the

>Someone on this list (I forget exactly who) mentioned the gap between the >IDM-list aesthetic and the Detroit-list aesthetic. I think it was a >really apt observation, especially when applied to a guy like Hawtin. The >IDM aesthetic seems to revolve around a lot of polyrythmic drum programming >and melodic synth arrangements, whereas Detroiter's are more accepting of >a bit of stripped-down minimalism here and there. Any thoughts or comments?

i think it's a fallacious generalization. i like both; it just depends on the individual track. hell, there's even one or two richie hawtin tracks i might admit to liking if forced at gunpoint... Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com I can tell you're cool because your water costs more than your beer.