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1995-01-24 18:01JAHODGE@vaxsar.vassar.eduAfter reading a handful of posts, I thought that it would be fruitful if I shared what I'v

From:: <JAHODGE@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: 24 Jan 1995 14:01:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: They say tecs, we say technology

After reading a handful of posts, I thought that it would be fruitful if I shared what I've been thinking about and reaching towards in my own music.. First off, I'm a college student and not unlike many of you, I have day to day problems such as friends, girlfriends, etc.. The reality is that my life is fairly mundane.. Although I'm proud of growing up on Chicago's South Side, one of the most culturally fascinating places on earth, it can get really depressing in terms of a day to day existance.. As a teenager, I went through the entire angst, depression thing.. Having an only casual relationship with the house scene, I latched onto a long list of 80s mope/noise rock.. Over time, I realized that this music just perpetuated my low emotions.. By way of a good friend, I was introduced to techno, and I instantly latched onto it.. I think it was overwhelmingly because it sounded otherwordly, new, and most importantly, it made me feel like I was escaping my limits.. Hell, records like Beltram vol. 2 sounded like it was from another universe, it was exciting to get records labeled "Made in Belgium" and the like.. With all this in mind, I found it an incredibly strange relationship when I started making my own stuff.. It shocked me that I was able to create such otherwordly sounds in the confines of my own environment.. I felt as though I was releasing something untapped in me.. With the music came the parties.. Though I went to alot of parties, I always resented the crowds and felt no attachment to entire drug/nomad culture, it was always the experience of the music (and a little nitrous) that drew me.. It's such a beautiful anomaly (eek spelling?), because it is the only music that thrives in the urban wasteland, but is at the same time distinctly sleek and futuristic.. It's been about six years since I started making tracks, and naturally, I've spent alot of time thinking about this habit that takes up so much of my time and interest.. When I started, my influences were a mix of noise rock and old electro/house from the likes of WBMX, and there was no distinct direction or goal in what I was doing.. Much of it was spontaneous, or on accident.. What stands out in the old tapes is the sheer amount of detail in the programming that I was willing to put in.. I think this comes with the program when your main keyboard is a CZ-101, but this important because I found that I had to remind myself of this dedication later on, because as my facilities grew, it became increasingly easy to pump out hours and hours of quick loops which worked, but went nowhere.. If nothing else, I think this is the most noticable difference between old Detroit versus newer stuff. Derrick put so much detail in his sequences and it was more free and song-like. On the other hand, much of the newer tracks live off of loops which are so easy pump out nicer gear.. Recognizing this flaw, I promised myself to avoid loops as much as possible, thereby making a fundamental departure from the bulk of the genre.. As my dad's old Miles fusion records like "In A Silent Way", "LiveEvil", and "Live at the Filmore" made they're way into my crates, I found it increasingly harder to enjoy my house and techno collection.. I still loved the electronics, but the level of emotion seemed so much lower.. This break, I've been listening to alot of Chicago art-rock such as "Brice-Glace", "Labradford", "Tortoise", and "Gastr Del Sol".. These artists are exceptional in the sense that they're making the progression that so many techno artists seem unwilling to make: they use the electronic, but they break away from alot of the structural constraints of typical sequencing, recapturing that groove that Miles had that WASN'T based on loops but rather on improv.. I think my other aversion to alot of recent releases is that they are full of nice sounds, but the melodies are in really uninspiring keys and the melodies seem stuck in circa '81.. I think the fundamental point is that we have opened the eyes of the masses to new options in the way of sound and the failure of the majors to co-opt a new form of music distribution, which is truly underground.. However, we must remind ourselves, that the musical advances of Mahivishnu John McGlaughlin and Miles Davis during the seventies were too significant to ignore.. We as artists should take this new perspective we have and commit to the age old tradition of reevaluating old concepts, updating and tranforming that which we feel is exceptional.. Our music is only new in the sense that it's purely electronic.. Most all of the music ideas we mistakingly take for our own have been in place for years.. I apologize for the length, but I think this sort of train-of-thought writing is more productive.. On Now - Miles Davis "Lonely Fire" off of the "Big Fun" LP Please comment, because that's the only way I can learn.. Jamie Hodge -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAi5f89wAAAEEAOiU42TYXhzZGB9GyVUPiphK/V549aDA1KDGccxmPY70ynVt EUi0Q/X/sHNj73fKCiv6jeoIlagAiamgQT6cL5FGGGkPApyWqrffEClBX67G+mQK Py+gpGCbDw7FEQPoY4Pfqi0Uf0KMPMBDg1k/djjStVQePNLimYBwiB5FzDvpAAUR tBtpcmRpYWxAaXJkaWFsc3lzLndpbi11ay5uZXSJAJUDBRAvF7csgHCIHkXMO+kB AXUhA/9/KthPVRLH6IpgagPK7lZ5qWYM2lhBSxMv9LDKV7nZVRxnsnO55fpQj1r1 popw6JkYAG0BdRTOwUjPhcItyIbEjFGWkmXxDqAjpoKKcpmrajPB6mGtsrZG948A FxPlPlXqmcg9bGB7x0RYlwZ6baka778MNB8LK15GoUriwUYUPQ== =FP+2 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

1995-01-25 05:05JAHODGE@vaxsar.vassar.eduAfter reading a handful of posts, I thought that it would be fruitful if I shared what I'v

From:: <JAHODGE@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: 25 Jan 1995 01:05:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: They say tecs, we say technology

After reading a handful of posts, I thought that it would be fruitful if I shared what I've been thinking about and reaching towards in my own music.. First off, I'm a college student and not unlike many of you, I have day to day problems such as friends, girlfriends, etc.. The reality is that my life is fairly mundane.. Although I'm proud of growing up on Chicago's South Side, one of the most culturally fascinating places on earth, it can get really depressing in terms of a day to day existance.. As a teenager, I went through the entire angst, depression thing.. Having an only casual relationship with the house scene, I latched onto a long list of 80s mope/noise rock.. Over time, I realized that this music just perpetuated my low emotions.. By way of a good friend, I was introduced to techno, and I instantly latched onto it.. I think it was overwhelmingly because it sounded otherwordly, new, and most importantly, it made me feel like I was escaping my limits.. Hell, records like Beltram vol. 2 sounded like it was from another universe, it was exciting to get records labeled "Made in Belgium" and the like.. With all this in mind, I found it an incredibly strange relationship when I started making my own stuff.. It shocked me that I was able to create such otherwordly sounds in the confines of my own environment.. I felt as though I was releasing something untapped in me.. With the music came the parties.. Though I went to alot of parties, I always resented the crowds and felt no attachment to entire drug/nomad culture, it was always the experience of the music (and a little nitrous) that drew me.. It's such a beautiful anomaly (eek spelling?), because it is the only music that thrives in the urban wasteland, but is at the same time distinctly sleek and futuristic.. It's been about six years since I started making tracks, and naturally, I've spent alot of time thinking about this habit that takes up so much of my time and interest.. When I started, my influences were a mix of noise rock and old electro/house from the likes of WBMX, and there was no distinct direction or goal in what I was doing.. Much of it was spontaneous, or on accident.. What stands out in the old tapes is the sheer amount of detail in the programming that I was willing to put in.. I think this comes with the program when your main keyboard is a CZ-101, but this important because I found that I had to remind myself of this dedication later on, because as my facilities grew, it became increasingly easy to pump out hours and hours of quick loops which worked, but went nowhere.. If nothing else, I think this is the most noticable difference between old Detroit versus newer stuff. Derrick put so much detail in his sequences and it was more free and song-like. On the other hand, much of the newer tracks live off of loops which are so easy pump out nicer gear.. Recognizing this flaw, I promised myself to avoid loops as much as possible, thereby making a fundamental departure from the bulk of the genre.. As my dad's old Miles fusion records like "In A Silent Way", "LiveEvil", and "Live at the Filmore" made they're way into my crates, I found it increasingly harder to enjoy my house and techno collection.. I still loved the electronics, but the level of emotion seemed so much lower.. This break, I've been listening to alot of Chicago art-rock such as "Brice-Glace", "Labradford", "Tortoise", and "Gastr Del Sol".. These artists are exceptional in the sense that they're making the progression that so many techno artists seem unwilling to make: they use the electronic, but they break away from alot of the structural constraints of typical sequencing, recapturing that groove that Miles had that WASN'T based on loops but rather on improv.. I think my other aversion to alot of recent releases is that they are full of nice sounds, but the melodies are in really uninspiring keys and the melodies seem stuck in circa '81.. I think the fundamental point is that we have opened the eyes of the masses to new options in the way of sound and the failure of the majors to co-opt a new form of music distribution, which is truly underground.. However, we must remind ourselves, that the musical advances of Mahivishnu John McGlaughlin and Miles Davis during the seventies were too significant to ignore.. We as artists should take this new perspective we have and commit to the age old tradition of reevaluating old concepts, updating and tranforming that which we feel is exceptional.. Our music is only new in the sense that it's purely electronic.. Most all of the music ideas we mistakingly take for our own have been in place for years.. I apologize for the length, but I think this sort of train-of-thought writing is more productive.. On Now - Miles Davis "Lonely Fire" off of the "Big Fun" LP Please comment, because that's the only way I can learn.. Jamie Hodge -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAi5f89wAAAEEAOiU42TYXhzZGB9GyVUPiphK/V549aDA1KDGccxmPY70ynVt EUi0Q/X/sHNj73fKCiv6jeoIlagAiamgQT6cL5FGGGkPApyWqrffEClBX67G+mQK Py+gpGCbDw7FEQPoY4Pfqi0Uf0KMPMBDg1k/djjStVQePNLimYBwiB5FzDvpAAUR tBtpcmRpYWxAaXJkaWFsc3lzLndpbi11ay5uZXSJAJUDBRAvF7csgHCIHkXMO+kB AXUhA/9/KthPVRLH6IpgagPK7lZ5qWYM2lhBSxMv9LDKV7nZVRxnsnO55fpQj1r1 popw6JkYAG0BdRTOwUjPhcItyIbEjFGWkmXxDqAjpoKKcpmrajPB6mGtsrZG948A FxPlPlXqmcg9bGB7x0RYlwZ6baka778MNB8LK15GoUriwUYUPQ== =FP+2 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

1995-01-27 21:53PaulT23@aol.comHey, I liked this( post see below for some ). I think that it is just a matter of time, re

From:: <PaulT23@aol.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:53:56 -0500
Subject:: Re: They say tecs, we say technology

Hey, I liked this( post see below for some ). I think that it is just a matter of time, really. There is certainly room for evolution - were are only twenty years into the mainstream use of electronic instruments, it will take time for the combination of the right people with the right background & desire to make it happen. It could be you or me ( If I ever get off my ass and write music instead of reading & writing e-mail ). I think you are absolutely write about Miles having the right idea about the groove. But two things come to mind : 1. it took jazz 70 years to get to that point, and ten years after that, it was gone - Miles regressed into pop formula jazz ( although tutu was great ) and left the psychedelic crazy fusion of the mid-seventies. During Miles's temporary retirement, most fusion degraded itself into musical improv masturbation 2. You cannot deny the power of repetition. Variation is good, but you if you stray too far from the primal beat, you loose part of the groove and the music becomes too detached from our physical nature. Its not that I don't like abstract music, but the best music is a balance between mental/abstract and primal/physical. PT23 Jamie Hodge wrote : These artists are exceptional in the sense that they're making the progression that so many techno artists seem unwilling to make: they use the electronic, but they break away from alot of the structural constraints of typical sequencing, recapturing that groove that Miles had that WASN'T based on loops but rather on improv.. I think my other aversion to alot of recent releases is that they are full of nice sounds, but the melodies are in really uninspiring keys and the melodies seem stuck in circa '81.. I think the fundamental point is that we have opened the eyes of the masses to new options in the way of sound and the failure of the majors to co-opt a new form of music distribution, which is truly underground.. However, we must remind ourselves, that the musical advances of Mahivishnu John McGlaughlin and Miles Davis during the seventies were too significant to ignore.. We as artists should take this new perspective we have and commit to the age old tradition of reevaluating old concepts, updating and tranforming that which we feel is exceptional.. Our music is only new in the sense that it's purely electronic.. Most all of the music ideas we mistakingly take for our own have been in place for years..

1995-01-27 23:22Kent Williams> 2. You cannot deny the power of repetition. Variation is good, but you > if you stray to

From:: Kent Williams <kent@cadsi.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 27 Jan 95 17:22:23 -0600
Subject:: Re: They say tecs, we say technology
Reply to:: Re: They say tecs, we say technology

quoted 5 lines 2. You cannot deny the power of repetition. Variation is good, but you

> 2. You cannot deny the power of repetition. Variation is good, but you > if you stray too far from the primal beat, you loose part of the > groove and the music becomes too detached from our physical > nature. Its not that I don't like abstract music, but the best music > is a balance between mental/abstract and primal/physical.

Somewhere during my abortive career as a music major, I heard a lecture by a professor who said the key to great music was a balance between predictability and unpredictability. If music is too unpredictable it sounds random; if it is too predictable it's boring. Music that depends on a groove always runs the risk of becoming boring. The best music rides the edge.

They say tecs, we say technology