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1995-01-10 23:33Dave Steinhart ISDN, Part Deux
└─ 1995-01-11 00:19toaster oven ISDN, Part drei
└─ 1995-01-11 06:15Christopher William Niemitz Re: ISDN, Part drei
1995-01-11 05:48Lazlo Nibble ISDN, Part drei
1995-01-11 13:52Mark Bowen Re: ISDN, Part drei
└─ 1995-01-11 20:48Brian Behlendorf Re: ISDN, Part drei
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1995-01-10 23:33Dave SteinhartMy previous post: > I just got off the phone with Caroline Records, and they say that ther
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My previous post:
quoted 2 lines I just got off the phone with Caroline Records, and they say that there are> I just got off the phone with Caroline Records, and they say that there are > no plans to release ISDN domestically. I say this because several folks
First off, as people have mentioned, Caroline owns Astralwerks. But it is true, my sales rep might not know something that Astralwerks does. I know that they've sold out of the ones they had (Caroline L.A., that is), and I didn't get the impression that they would get more. The copies I received were not shrinkwrapped, so I'm confused as to what really went down. Some people seem to have bought it for $11.99 or so, shrinkwrapped, which is great, but they obviously didn't come thru the same channels as the ones I bought (could the stores have shrinked them?). Anyway, those of you who ordered a copy thru me got it (or will get it), so don't worry. Sorry to start such a landslide. Dave P.S. I wasn't joking about John Cage. 4'33 *is* on CD. It's obviously more fun to see live, though...
1995-01-11 00:19toaster oven> The copies I received were not shrinkwrapped, so I'm > confused as to what really went d
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quoted 6 lines The copies I received were not shrinkwrapped, so I'm> The copies I received were not shrinkwrapped, so I'm > confused as to what really went down. Some people seem > to have bought it for $11.99 or so, shrinkwrapped, which > is great, but they obviously didn't come thru the same > channels as the ones I bought (could the stores have > shrinked them?).
i bought one in houston, unwrapped, for $17.91, and it's worth every penny. it took a few listens, but i am quite enamored of it now. but onto the import/domestic debate... it seems as though we have a debate on the meaning of the term "domestic." someone spoke earlier about how caroline/astralwerks is releasing the import as a domestic (hold on, let me cull up the original msg.): Chris Niemitz sez:
quoted 5 lines What I meant to>What I meant to >say was that It was not being released on Caroline (therefore Caroline >wouldn't know as much about the release as the people at Astralwerks, >who had mailed as the post and were in charge of distributing >the import as a domestic).
im not sure whether or not astralwerks is in charge of importing the cd's, but if they are distributing the imports over here, then they are still imports. 'domestic' usually refers to cd's being released in the US by an american record company (one example of a domestic release is the new nirvana, another is also the domestic release of the FAX cd's on instinct.) of course the sure fire way to determine import or domestic is to look at the bar code #. mine is Virgin 40066 (or to be nitpicky, 7243-8-40066-2/4). if it's domestic and on astralwerks, it would most likely have a four digit # (61--). hth, back to the music, -joanna- ObNow: nirvana's unplugged, jackhammers, and gunshots
1995-01-11 06:15Christopher William NiemitzOn Tue, 10 Jan 1995, toaster oven wrote: > > The copies I received were not shrinkwrapped,
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Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:15:42 -0800 (PST)
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On Tue, 10 Jan 1995, toaster oven wrote:
quoted 24 lines The copies I received were not shrinkwrapped, so I'm> > The copies I received were not shrinkwrapped, so I'm > > confused as to what really went down. Some people seem > > to have bought it for $11.99 or so, shrinkwrapped, which > > is great, but they obviously didn't come thru the same > > channels as the ones I bought (could the stores have > > shrinked them?). > > i bought one in houston, unwrapped, for $17.91, and it's worth every penny. it > took a few listens, but i am quite enamored of it now. > but onto the import/domestic debate... > it seems as though we have a debate on the meaning of the term "domestic." > someone spoke earlier about how caroline/astralwerks is releasing the import as > a domestic (hold on, let me cull up the original msg.): > > Chris Niemitz sez: > >What I meant to > >say was that It was not being released on Caroline (therefore Caroline > >wouldn't know as much about the release as the people at Astralwerks, > >who had mailed as the post and were in charge of distributing > >the import as a domestic). > > im not sure whether or not astralwerks is in charge of importing the cd's, but > if they are distributing the imports over here, then they are still imports. > 'domestic' usually refers to cd's being released in the US by an american record
Looks like were in a debate over semantics here. 1.)$6 difference in price tag (between domestic and import) might not be a lot to some, but it is to me. 2.) my exact words (this time) were "distributed as a domestic." If Astralwerks had slapped a sticker on it, would it have made a difference? As the initial post by AW to this mailing list stated, AW ordered 9800 copies of a release that was to be limited to 10,000 copies in the UK--- ie. in order to do this they must have planned in advance to have the extra US copies manufactured and imported). This trivial issue aside, has anyone notice the number of discs being distributed in the US for domestic prices? It seems there's been a lot in the past year (PSB's Very Relentless, Freezone vol.1, the Solar Quest cd, I've even seen the Ambient Dub vols 1-3 new for $12.99 each, Another Fine Day, and many others).I've also seen more stores price newly released imports for less than usual ($13.99-$17.99). At the same time, anybody notice Tower's markup of domestic CD's? (from $14.99 to $15.99)? Pretty soon domestics and imports will be the same $? Anybody know what's going on here? (It's not NAFTA or GATT and it's not the value of the dollar either).
1995-01-11 05:48Lazlo Nibble> im not sure whether or not astralwerks is in charge of importing the cd's, but > if they
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quoted 2 lines im not sure whether or not astralwerks is in charge of importing the cd's, but> im not sure whether or not astralwerks is in charge of importing the cd's, but > if they are distributing the imports over here, then they are still imports.
Mmmmmmmm....I consider this a grey area, actually. Once a US label is distributing copies within the US, it really *is* a "domestic release" as far as I'm concerned. Caroline have a long history of doing this -- I've ordered stuff from them that even had a US catalog number, but the disc itself, as well as the booklet and tray insert, were the UK pressing with a UK catalog number -- the US catalog number was just stickered onto the jewel box. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Visit http://rt66.com/lazlo/ for Discographies, Record ::: Collecting Resources, The Internet Music Wantlists, and more.
1995-01-11 13:52Mark Bowen>At the same time, anybody notice Tower's markup of domestic >CD's? (from $14.99 to $15.99
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quoted 3 lines At the same time, anybody notice Tower's markup of domestic>At the same time, anybody notice Tower's markup of domestic >CD's? (from $14.99 to $15.99)? Pretty soon domestics and imports >will be the same $?
Hey its not just tower records. I recently read that its an industry wide phenomenon spread down from above. I mean think about it. If they put out a few special releases like the Streisand cd or the Three Tenors thing and get away with charging a higher price why not try it with some of the new releases from big pop names like nirvana. Then why now just do it across the board. Isn't that what cds were all about, being able to charge more because they were "high tech" and therefore must be more expensive to produce? -- Mark Bowen mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu O O O O O O O O O H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | HN C= N C= N C= N C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=O \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / C C C C C C C C C / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R
1995-01-11 20:48Brian BehlendorfOn Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Mark Bowen wrote: > >At the same time, anybody notice Tower's markup
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On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Mark Bowen wrote:
quoted 11 lines At the same time, anybody notice Tower's markup of domestic> >At the same time, anybody notice Tower's markup of domestic > >CD's? (from $14.99 to $15.99)? Pretty soon domestics and imports > >will be the same $? > > Hey its not just tower records. I recently read that its an industry wide > phenomenon spread down from above. I mean think about it. If they put out a > few special releases like the Streisand cd or the Three Tenors thing and get > away with charging a higher price why not try it with some of the new releases > from big pop names like nirvana. Then why now just do it across the board. > Isn't that what cds were all about, being able to charge more because they > were "high tech" and therefore must be more expensive to produce?
"Well, if you amortize it across the 23 years since I last toured, it only comes to $18 per year. Isn't seeing me live worth $18 per year?" --- Barbara Streisand, on the cost of her concert tickets (from memory, it may not be exactly what she said). Brian