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2000-01-18 22:14Guai Lo Re: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
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2000-01-18 22:14Guai Lo>tee hee hee ... so naive "tee hee hee" are you for real? >* Has it occurred to you that d
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Guai Lo
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Chris Fahey , 'IDM (E-mail)'
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Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:14:54 -0600
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Re: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
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quoted 1 line tee hee hee ... so naive>tee hee hee ... so naive
"tee hee hee" are you for real?
quoted 3 lines * Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a totally mainstream musical>* Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a totally mainstream musical >form right now and that it's hardly obscure or underground at all, >especially to people who make ads?
Drum and bass is not a 'totally mainstream musical form' right now. It's not exactly obscure or underground, but it's not mainstream, and definitely not 'totally mainstream'. I'd throw out a wild guess that a lot of other people on this list have also lost some of their perspective on what's really happening in music right now. I'll concede that it's quite possible that a bunch of VW-driving ad slingers have a passing interest in 'futuristic music' right now.
quoted 2 lines * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians make most of>* Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians make most of >their living off of selling their music to advertisers?
Well, that's news to me. Pretty fucking depressing, really.
quoted 5 lines * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in fact be cooler>* Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in fact be cooler >than you think? Yes, for every IDM fan working in the advertising world >there are probably 100 people whose idea of what's good music is based >exclusively on what's in the Billboard top 40. But those people don't make >Microsoft and VW ads - they work for Proctor and Gamble, AOL, and the WB.
I
quoted 4 lines would bet that of the working adults on the IDM list (the few of us that>would bet that of the working adults on the IDM list (the few of us that >there are) there are probably a disproportionally large number of people >working for the advertising industry, major or major-indie label record >industry, or some kind of mainstream media company.
Well, then they've achieved exactly what they set out to achieve. VW and Microsoft are 'cool' and Proctor and Gamble and AOL are 'uncool'. Not to mention, what's up with Chevy and their stale ass Bob Seger commercials... "Um, man, let's go to that VW dealer... these Chevrolets just don't .. DO it for me.." I'll admit that I hate advertising. Each one of these threads that pops up about some commercial that had a great song in it turns my stomache. I'm guessing that there are a lot of fucking soul-less white collar capitalists on this list that couldn't care less that some broke ass artist sold his soul to VW, and I guess that's probably another reason that this "scene" seems to exist exclusively on the internet, where everyone can look any way they want, buy their cds on cdnow and eBay, and talk a bunch of elitist shit from the comfort of their own computer room. I guess I just wish that this music would result in a real scene, where people had some sense of artistic integrity, and a willingness to leave their fucking bedroom to support it. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of the people on this list go out. In 3 years or less, people will know this type of music as "TV Commercial music" or "e-commerce music". I don't know about you, but that bothers me. I don't care what happens to this excuse for a scene, or this list, because I don't apparently fit very neatly into either of them, but I hate the idea of some of my favorite groups jumping at the chance to sell a song to VW or Microsoft because they are broke as shit because there is no forum for them to tour on, because the majority of their fans are at home, sitting on their fat asses watching Television. I expect witty, condescending responses from both you and David Turgeon, so here's a big Fuck You, in advance. Have a great day. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-01-19 00:21anything@synthesizer.org>I don't care what happens to this excuse for a scene, or this list, because >I don't appa
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quoted 6 lines I don't care what happens to this excuse for a scene, or this list, because>I don't care what happens to this excuse for a scene, or this list, because >I don't apparently fit very neatly into either of them, but I hate the idea >of some of my favorite groups jumping at the chance to sell a song to VW or >Microsoft because they are broke as shit because there is no forum for them >to tour on, because the majority of their fans are at home, sitting on their >fat asses watching Television.
while shielding my eyes from such obvious and willful indifference, i was able to think for a moment. then i got confused: my first impression is that <favorite group> wouldn't have to sell their song to an evil media presence if they were popular enough not to have to "sell out" for a check that big. unfortunately, i'm having trouble with the implication that warp, ninja tune, or any other (irony alert) respectable label could (or would want to get big enough to) support their artists to that degree. but the label could if they had the bankrolls of major labels or media companies, i suppose. which is fine, since the big-money music business is okay where the big-money advertising world isn't. does anybody know how many copies of an album (or collection of 12") -- with some typical token figure for royalty rate and advertising overhead -- a band of two would have to sell to make a realistic yearly income befitting their cultural importance...say US$35,000 apiece? -- www.synthesizer.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org