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2000-01-18 22:40William Samuels--- John Thelin <teaflax@erols.com> wrote: > Luckabaugh, Steve wrote: > > >> * Has it occu

From:: William Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com>
To:: 'IDM \(E-mail\)' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:40:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.

--- John Thelin <teaflax@erols.com> wrote:

quoted 5 lines Luckabaugh, Steve wrote:

> Luckabaugh, Steve wrote: > > >> * Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a > totally > >> mainstream musical form right now

And why is that? Because you hear it in a commercial...I hear techno in commercials...The Orb in commercials...Wait isn't Orb ...IDM OH IDM must be mainstream...huh? Is that the rational? Are there huge drum n bass sections at Musicland now? I don't think so. Does the average Joe even know what drum n bass is...not likely. I don't believe drum n bass has shared mainstream success. Ez Rollers had a tune that hit high in the charts in the UK (due to a movie) and of course there is Roni Size. But that's about it.

quoted 7 lines In the UK, yes, maybe but in american NO! I don't

> > In the UK, yes, maybe but in american NO! I don't > hear it ANYWHERE on the > > radio (meaning normal big commercial radio not > college radio) so it's not > > *mainstream*. I don't see a Plug CD or a Wagon > Christ CD next to Rickie > > Martin in stores.

Yeah, where's the Grooverider CD? Since he is a big name, each store must have just tons. Right? :)

quoted 1 line America is a musical wasteland.

> America is a musical wasteland.

For the most part, but there are alot of underground pockets of good music all over.

quoted 10 lines * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass

> >> * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass > musicians > >> make most of their living off of selling their > music to advertisers? > > > > Really? Most d'nb musicians? why are there so > few adds featuring it if > > it's so widely sold? This doesn't make sense. > Where do you get your > > information?

Yeah NAME some producers, a least one notable one. I think there are alot of people that just put together tracks for commercials. A friend of mine that makes commercials has someone make the music he needs for commercials. Apparently, all he needs is to give the guy an example of what he wants and the guy can mimic it. And let's say a dnb producer did make a tune, what then? Does that mean he is lesser in anyway? I don't think your facts are straight.

quoted 11 lines Again, I think that's a UK thing - but even here in

> Again, I think that's a UK thing - but even here in > the US, I think I hear > four to five D'n'b or IDM-style background tunes per > hour. Not all of it > particularly good, but most of it better than just > reusing or redoing Top 40 > material and all of it far more interesting than > anything heard on the > radio. I'll try to keep score during prime time > tonight by keeping the TV on > while I work.

I would rather hear electronic stuff even if it's not good, then hear classic rock or top 40. Actually KROQ in LA uses IDM or danceable electronic for their commercials. They play nothing but crappy rock, but if they want to talk over something you can hear them use Aphex Twin and Meat Beat Manifesto. I guess they feel the music is good for something...talking over. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-01-18 23:58greg davis> > America is a musical wasteland. i dont like this statement. talk about bad generalizat

From:: greg davis <gdavis@gis.net>
To:: 'IDM (E-mail)' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:58:37 -0500
Subject:: (idm) an active day

quoted 1 line America is a musical wasteland.

> > America is a musical wasteland.

i dont like this statement. talk about bad generalizations. there is some great music being made in america recently. the whole indie/postrock/electronic or whatever you wanna call scene is producing some very good creative music. plus the whole free jazz/improv scene is also thriving. you just have to look for it. alot of the stuff we are talking about is underground/alternative types of music that one has to seek and find. labels like thrill jockey, kranky, drag city, etc etc. have been putting out good stuff over the past 4-5 years. not to mention alot of the even smaller labels. maybe america is a wasteland for electronic music, but thats starting to prove that isnt true either. there are a crop of upcoming electronic artists in the states. i actually hear more about american artists nowadays than i do about anyone from anywhere else. (maybe because i live here) but i dont dig statements like that. i dont know if the person who said is american or not. but it doesnt matter. im sick of people saying that the american music scene is shit. obviously if you are looking at MTV and listening to the radio, yeah it is shit. but thats always going to be there, so go out and find the good music. there is plenty of it. and about this whole commercial thing, i really think there is not much we can do to change the whole corporate/capitalist make up of this country. (unless massive change and restructuring of the society takes place) we can complain about it all day but that wont help. so do your own thing and whole heartedly support your favorite artists/musicians and share the music with everyone you know and turn people on to the music that you like. (send/give mix tapes of your favorite music to random people!!) and dont support the crap that is out there. turn off your radio/turn off your TV. and go find the music for yourself. well before i start preaching, im gonna end this one. later, greg davis autumn records http://www.amug.org/~jkdavis/autumn np: stephen prina-push comes to love --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-01-19 04:39John Thelingreg davis wrote: >>> America is a musical wasteland. > > i dont like this statement. > ta

From:: John Thelin <teaflax@erols.com>
To:: 'IDM (E-mail)' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:39:17 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) an active day
Reply to:: (idm) an active day

greg davis wrote:

quoted 8 lines America is a musical wasteland.

>>> America is a musical wasteland. > > i dont like this statement. > talk about bad generalizations. > there is some great music being made in america recently. > the whole indie/postrock/electronic or whatever you wanna call scene is > producing some very good creative music. plus the whole free jazz/improv > scene is also thriving. you just have to look for it.

I'm sorry if I was a bit unclear in my pique. I wasn't talking about the music coming out of the US so much as what the median listener is exposed to or searches out.

quoted 5 lines maybe america is a wasteland for electronic music, but thats starting to

> maybe america is a wasteland for electronic music, but thats starting to > prove that isnt true either. there are a crop of upcoming electronic > artists in the states. i actually hear more about american artists > nowadays than i do about anyone from anywhere else. (maybe because i > live here)

Sure, you can find a lot of good stuff if you start looking, but it seems to me that people are far less inclined to even begin to search over here (I moved to the US from Sweden eighteen months ago). Not that Europeans are automatically super-enlightened and active music lovers, but I think that looking at sale charts on either side of the Atlantic will show that among the waves of unmitigated crap there's more odd, quirky and progressive music in the Euro charts than in the US ones. And I'm not talking just about IDM, but any musical genres that aren't Classic Rock, basically. -- JohnT/CountV "Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this." - Tony Soprano Design by Coercion - New Years update, with image manipulation section; http://www.m-ideas.com/coercion/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-01-19 00:22Guai Lo-----Original Message----- From: greg davis <gdavis@gis.net> To: 'IDM (E-mail)' <idm@hyper

From:: Guai Lo <jotai@mindspring.com>
To:: <gdavis@gis.net>, 'IDM (E-mail)' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:22:54 -0600
Subject:: Re: (idm) an active day

-----Original Message----- From: greg davis <gdavis@gis.net> To: 'IDM (E-mail)' <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 5:59 PM Subject: (idm) an active day

quoted 4 lines America is a musical wasteland.

>> > America is a musical wasteland. > >i dont like this statement. >talk about bad generalizations.

I was more offended by the knock on the Rolling Stones... for one thing they are a British fucking band, for another thing, back in their day they did some great music. I don't own anything by them, but they are the last band I'd use as an example to trash America's musical taste with. Did he say he was from Sweden? Is that where Ace of fucking Base came from? I resent having to hear that slop for a year of my life, but I'm not going to say that everyone from Sweden or wherever the fuck they're from are zombies in a wasteland of bad music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-01-19 04:46John ThelinGuai Lo wrote: >>>> America is a musical wasteland. >> >> i dont like this statement. >> t

From:: John Thelin <teaflax@erols.com>
To:: 'IDM (E-mail)' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:46:11 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) an active day
Reply to:: Re: (idm) an active day

Guai Lo wrote:

quoted 7 lines America is a musical wasteland.

>>>> America is a musical wasteland. >> >> i dont like this statement. >> talk about bad generalizations. > > I was more offended by the knock on the Rolling Stones... for one thing they > are a British fucking band

Gee. Really? Nevertheless, they are nowhere near as canonized for their tired three-chord act anywhere else as in the US.

quoted 2 lines , for another thing, back in their day they did

>, for another thing, back in their day they did > some great music.

You do know they're still around, right? And they were good in an amusing sort of way for the first couple of years.

quoted 2 lines I don't own anything by them, but they are the last band

> I don't own anything by them, but they are the last band > I'd use as an example to trash America's musical taste with.

Alright: Neil Young, then. ;>

quoted 2 lines Did he say he

> Did he say he > was from Sweden?

I can see you, you know.

quoted 4 lines Is that where Ace of fucking Base came from? I resent

> Is that where Ace of fucking Base came from? I resent > having to hear that slop for a year of my life, but I'm not going to say > that everyone from Sweden or wherever the fuck they're from are zombies in a > wasteland of bad music.

Well, Ace of Base may _be_ Swedish, but - let's face it - that's not where they broke or made most of their sales. Most of the Backstreet/Britney/NSync stuff is produced and written by Swedes, but is bought in greater numbers in other places Not that that was what I was talking about at all. Don't let that stop you, though. -- JohnT/CountV "Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this." - Tony Soprano Design by Coercion - New Years update, with image manipulation section; http://www.m-ideas.com/coercion/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org