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1994-12-22 04:02Alan M. Parry Orbital/Locust (fwd)
├─ 1994-12-22 10:56Joseph Morrison Re: Orbital/Locust (fwd)
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1994-12-29 02:40Cullen Re: Orbital/Locust (fwd)
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1994-12-22 04:02Alan M. ParryFrom: Joep Vermaat <pjoe@grafix.xs4all.nl> To: idm-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: Orbital/Lo
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From: Joep Vermaat <pjoe@grafix.xs4all.nl> To: idm-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: Orbital/Locust Orbital/Locust saturday december 10th Paradiso, Amsterdam The setup was much like Triple X Oscillate, the mega electronic-music event earlier this year. In the center of the relativily small church, compared to the huge round tank that is the Gashouder, they had put up a scaffolding two stories high. The lower part filled with live mixing desks and the DJ playing decks. And the upper part especially reserved for Orbital's stuff. The concert would start late. So when we came in about eleven, nothing really good happened. The DJ wasn't very broadminded and played straightforward trancy techno. We went to check the place out, seeing the lame chillout room and looking at the setup from the balcony. When we came back down again, the music had changed. The sight was very confusing. We knew Locust would play soon. But the only thing we saw was a guy at the turntables putting on records. And behind him another guy twiddeling knobs. And then tracks started to kick in. Enormous compositions, very low basslines, complex loud rhythm structures. And NOISE, lots of it. The music sounded like a divine combination of Autocreation, Mu-ziq and My Bloody Valentine. Nothing like that has ever been put on record, as far as we know it, so this had to be Live. Only we didn't recognize the guy playing. At first we though it was the DJ, maybe the guy from Mo'Wax, because he's getting quite notorious in England. But then we started to concentrate on the guy twiddeling the knobs... wait a minute, that's LOCUST! This is the second time he fooled us. Months ago, in the spring he played at an Ambient night in the Melkweg. Then the only thing you could see was his video wall. Mark van Hoen (Locust) hid behind a pillar doing his thing. Now he had found a way to play his music and have everybody thinking it was the DJ playing records. He must be enormously shy, or he just hates the old artist/crowd interaction. The music got better and better, and only in the end some of the audience started to catch on and realise this was Locust playing. When the set ended the meagre applause was swamped by the loud trance record the DJ put on. Orbital. I should have realised when I went to interview them at Triple X. The brothers Hartnoll have sold their souls to Satan. Or the big bucks music biz to be more exact. "Snivilisation" is overrated. In every music magazine, barring Melody Maker, the record has been lauded as a "Classic". Well, don't believe the hype, because it's just a boring fart of a record. Okay, it has a lot of different styles and tunes on it. But they used to put a lot of styles and tunes in just one song. We think Orbital must have made this step for big bucks sake. And the thing is, the audience buys it. They don't care this is a step back musicwize. Back to the time when techno tracks only had a 4:4 bassdrum and an 8:8 hi-hat on top. The disco variety. Only "Impact" lived up to the old standard. The rest of the set was just replaying the record and raping classics like "Halcyon" by making it into disco tracks. We never want to see Orbital again. /// One of THE TWO PURE \\\ /// Joep : pjoe@grafix.xs4all.nl \\\ -- Via Xenolink 1.95
1994-12-22 10:56Joseph Morrison> Orbital. I should have realised when I went to interview them at Triple X. The > brother
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Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:56:33 -0800 (PST)
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quoted 13 lines Orbital. I should have realised when I went to interview them at Triple X. The> Orbital. I should have realised when I went to interview them at Triple X. The > brothers Hartnoll have sold their souls to Satan. Or the big bucks music biz to > be more exact. "Snivilisation" is overrated. In every music magazine, barring > Melody Maker, the record has been lauded as a "Classic". Well, don't believe > the hype, because it's just a boring fart of a record. Okay, it has a lot of > different styles and tunes on it. But they used to put a lot of styles and > tunes in just one song. We think Orbital must have made this step for big bucks > sake. And the thing is, the audience buys it. They don't care this is a step > back musicwize. Back to the time when techno tracks only had a 4:4 bassdrum and > an 8:8 hi-hat on top. The disco variety. Only "Impact" lived up to the old > standard. The rest of the set was just replaying the record and raping classics > like "Halcyon" by making it into disco tracks. We never want to see Orbital > again.
Whatever reviews may have stated, it is a classic to me and many others. If you don't like it, ignore it. Berating us retards that do enjoy it serves no purpose. And I don't care if Satan paid them double, even. My ears rule my preferences in music, nothing else. The audience buys it because they derive pleasure. Makes sense to me. 'They don't care this is a step back musicwize.' 'Only "Impact" lived up to the old standard.' Hmmm.... I guess it just boils down to this: if they aren't doing music to please you, then you must not be paying them enough. Or maybe they are those rebellious types who do it for THEMSELVES. Heaven forbid.
1994-12-23 01:30Cullen> From: Joep Vermaat <pjoe@grafix.xs4all.nl> > To: idm-owner@hyperreal.com > Subject: Orbi
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quoted 9 lines From: Joep Vermaat <pjoe@grafix.xs4all.nl>> From: Joep Vermaat <pjoe@grafix.xs4all.nl> > To: idm-owner@hyperreal.com > Subject: Orbital/Locust > > Orbital. I should have realised when I went to interview them at Triple X. The > brothers Hartnoll have sold their souls to Satan. Or the big bucks music biz to > be more exact. "Snivilisation" is overrated. In every music magazine, barring > Melody Maker, the record has been lauded as a "Classic". Well, don't believe > the hype, because it's just a boring fart of a record. Okay, it has a lot of
This is really the sweetest bullshit. That's the kind of opinion that dribbles from the lips of the species of jackass that you always hear braying about R. James' "selling out." In every evolving style of music one finds these cretins who think they can come off as sophisticated and perceptive by slagging the leaders. I can understand why the album wouldn't suit some peoples tastes, but to call it a bad record only exposes your own shallow understanding. The Hartnolls have more imagination and talent than the next ten IDM acts combined and their success is richly deserved. Maybe they do suck live. I haven't cared much for the few live tracks I've heard or any of their singles, but _Snivilization_ still kicks my ass after about forty listenings...
1994-12-29 02:40CullenOn Tue, 27 Dec 1994, Jesse Stricker wrote: > Ah, then I'd better get into the jackass line
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On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, Jesse Stricker wrote:
quoted 4 lines Ah, then I'd better get into the jackass line forming on my> Ah, then I'd better get into the jackass line forming on my > left. I didn't like _Snivilization_. Sue me. Saying that dislike of a > record equals jackassedness just shows how much trouble you have > expressing an idea well.
Actually, if you'll read my message a little more carefully, you'll find that I said I could understand why somebody might not LIKE _Snivilization_, but that anyone who said it was a bad album was a jackass, comprende, jackass? BTW: Teep, what's this Bedroom disk you mentioned?