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2000-01-18 17:16Luckabaugh, Steve RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
├─ 2000-01-18 17:34Cristian RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
│ └─ 2000-01-18 20:35John Thelin Re: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
├─ 2000-01-18 20:33John Thelin Re: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
└─ 2000-01-18 20:36Danny Wyatt RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
└─ 2000-01-20 06:26wells RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
└─ 2000-01-20 06:53Danny Wyatt RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
2000-01-18 17:29david turgeon Re: (idm) Dude. Micr*soft.
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2000-01-18 17:16Luckabaugh, Steve> * Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a totally > mainstream musical form right
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quoted 2 lines * Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a totally> * Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a totally > mainstream musical form right now
In the UK, yes, maybe but in american NO! I don't hear it ANYWHERE on the radio (meaning normal big commercial radio not college radio) so it's not *mainstream*. I don't see a Plug CD or a Wagon Christ CD next to Rickie Martin in stores.
quoted 2 lines * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians> * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians > make most of their living off of selling their music to advertisers?
Really? Most d'nb musicians? why are there so few adds featuring it if it's so widely sold? This doesn't make sense. Where do you get your information?
quoted 2 lines * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in> * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in > fact be cooler than you think?
Considering the fact that many adverts on the tele are very stupid, yes this would surprise me.
quoted 3 lines Yes, for every IDM fan working in the advertising world> Yes, for every IDM fan working in the advertising world > there are probably 100 people whose idea of what's good > music is based exclusively on what's in the Billboard top 40.
YES, exactly my point. Yes good music pops up every now and again on some adverts but you've got to admit that it's few and far between. steve. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-01-18 17:34Cristian> > * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in > > fact be cooler than you
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quoted 5 lines * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in> > * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in > > fact be cooler than you think? > > Considering the fact that many adverts on the tele are very stupid, yes this > would surprise me.
actually...the reasons why most adverts revert to crappy music is more likely because someone on the account end of things at the agency got frightened about presenting something not so 'universally' acceptable or the client got cold feet about the same. things almost always start out super duper fucking dope and get dumbed down by the aforementioned two parties until they are dull and uninteresting. in many cases at least. cya. mulenuts --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-01-18 20:35John ThelinCristian wrote: > actually...the reasons why most adverts revert to crappy music is more >
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Cristian wrote:
quoted 7 lines actually...the reasons why most adverts revert to crappy music is more> actually...the reasons why most adverts revert to crappy music is more > likely because someone on the account end of things at the agency got > frightened about presenting something not so 'universally' acceptable or > the client got cold feet about the same. things almost always start out > super duper fucking dope and get dumbed down by the aforementioned two > parties until they are dull and uninteresting. in many cases at least. > cya. mulenuts
It's what I've always said; "Design [or advertising] would be the best job in the world, if it wasn't for the clients having opinions of their own." -- JohnT/CountV "Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this." - Tony Soprano Design by Coercion - New Years update, with image manipulation section; http://www.m-ideas.com/coercion/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-01-18 20:33John ThelinLuckabaugh, Steve wrote: >> * Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a totally >> ma
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Luckabaugh, Steve wrote:
quoted 7 lines * Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a totally>> * Has it occurred to you that drum and bass is a totally >> mainstream musical form right now > > In the UK, yes, maybe but in american NO! I don't hear it ANYWHERE on the > radio (meaning normal big commercial radio not college radio) so it's not > *mainstream*. I don't see a Plug CD or a Wagon Christ CD next to Rickie > Martin in stores.
America is a musical wasteland. Back in Sweden, I didn't know a single person who liked The Rolling Stones, here it seems that everybody does, more or less. Admittedly, I sort of changed circles upon moving, from media-related to a bit less so, so I'm sure that's a factor, but it still doesn't explain the 100% discrepancy.
quoted 7 lines * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians> >> * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians >> make most of their living off of selling their music to advertisers? > > Really? Most d'nb musicians? why are there so few adds featuring it if > it's so widely sold? This doesn't make sense. Where do you get your > information?
Again, I think that's a UK thing - but even here in the US, I think I hear four to five D'n'b or IDM-style background tunes per hour. Not all of it particularly good, but most of it better than just reusing or redoing Top 40 material and all of it far more interesting than anything heard on the radio. I'll try to keep score during prime time tonight by keeping the TV on while I work. -- JohnT/CountV "Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this." - Tony Soprano Design by Coercion - New Years update, with image manipulation section; http://www.m-ideas.com/coercion/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-01-18 20:36Danny Wyatt> > * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians > > make most of their livi
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quoted 6 lines * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians> > * Has it occurred to you that many drum and bass musicians > > make most of their living off of selling their music to advertisers? > > Really? Most d'nb musicians? why are there so few adds featuring it if > it's so widely sold? This doesn't make sense. Where do you get your > information?
Well, "many" musicians making "most" of their money off ad rights is not unfeasible. I have it from a pretty infallible source that RykoDisc made 1 million dollars licensing a Galaxie 500 track to Acura. One. Million. Dollars. (He also said this was pretty funny because: When Rough Trade went under all their assests went to public auction. This included the rights to all the Galaxie 500 stuff. So, the former members of Galaxie 500 flew to England to bid. They were so unknown that the price never got above a few hundred dollars. Dean Wareham paid cash.) ObIdm: Anyone know how much Aphex got for those telecomm ads or whatever they were, for which he did special mixes? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-01-20 06:26wellsHow is something _pretty_ infallible? That's just what I want to know.. - wells oliver / s
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How is something _pretty_ infallible? That's just what I want to know.. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@vcu.edu " The ball is round. The game lasts ninety minutes. This much is fact. Everything else is just theory. "
quoted 10 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Wyatt [mailto:danny@arbitrary.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:36 PM > To: Luckabaugh, Steve; Chris Fahey; 'IDM (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft. > > Well, "many" musicians making "most" of their money off ad rights is not > unfeasible. I have it from a pretty infallible source that > RykoDisc made 1 > million dollars licensing a Galaxie 500 track to Acura.
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2000-01-20 06:53Danny WyattMy bad. He was a quite the dashing fellow: I meant "prettily infallible." yours in moderat
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My bad. He was a quite the dashing fellow: I meant "prettily infallible." yours in moderate capability of error, Danny Wyatt
quoted 31 lines -----Original Message----->-----Original Message----- >From: wells [mailto:s0ewoliv@vcu.edu] >Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 1:26 AM >To: Danny Wyatt; Luckabaugh, Steve; Chris Fahey; 'IDM (E-mail)' >Subject: RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft. > > >How is something _pretty_ infallible? > >That's just what I want to know.. > >- wells oliver / s0ewoliv@vcu.edu > " The ball is round. The game lasts ninety minutes. > This much is fact. Everything else is just theory. " > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Danny Wyatt [mailto:danny@arbitrary.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:36 PM >> To: Luckabaugh, Steve; Chris Fahey; 'IDM (E-mail)' >> Subject: RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft. >> >> Well, "many" musicians making "most" of their money off ad rights is not >> unfeasible. I have it from a pretty infallible source that >> RykoDisc made 1 >> million dollars licensing a Galaxie 500 track to Acura. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-01-18 17:29david turgeon> > * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in > > fact be cooler than you
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quoted 4 lines * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in> > * Has it occurred to you that people who make ads might in > > fact be cooler than you think? > Considering the fact that many adverts on the tele are very stupid, yes this > would surprise me.
from working myself in an ad company, i can vouch for the fact that they're cool people (at least the guys in this company :) but as all admen they tend to fall into the trap of 'we gotta do it this way because that's what the public/client wants' which leads to stupid design decisions. fortunately i don't have to come up with the concepts, i just turn them into html. idm content: hmm, actually, nothing. ~ david np: incunabula! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org