1. humanity is forked
2. we have squeezed in to the forking best most awesomest fraction of
it, ie this computer is pretty cool
3. i hope my kids believe in god because they better start forking praying
4. put on a record or something u guys are depressing me
np ozzy revelation (mother earth)
quoted 130 lines I think this is a romantic vision of primitivism. I am uncertain if this would classify as
> I think this is a romantic vision of primitivism. I am uncertain if this would classify as Utopia. Then again I don't really believe in any utopian systems.
>
> Anyhow. I do think this conversation may be going on to long Off Topic. And i understand people like to have fun with it; because its very cool to be snarky and cleverly pessimistic. It is an especially high ranking status symbol for 18-35 year old men in our culture. Good job guys! I've stirred up all the discussion I want to here. If anyone is interested in joining a earnest discussion (or talking more shit) about creating a workable future for all join me here:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/zeitgeistmovement?lnk=gcimh
>
> Long live the metavirus,
> zaq
>
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:20 -0500
>> From: cexwell@gmail.com
>> To: idm@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>
>> the path to the utopian dream is so easy! continue with things the way they
>> are, occasionally debate about how bad it sucks, and wait for the oil to run
>> out.. or at least require more energy to get out of the ground than the
>> extracted oil would provide.
>>
>> without the oil, the population will not be able to stay at its current
>> level.
>>
>> those who survive the massive die-off get to live in utopia.
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>>> The first half-hour is about the fractional reserve monetary system and how
>>> it
>>> doesn't work. Then it goes into how debt created by the fractional
>>> reserve system is used to create wage-slaves and exploit third-world
>>> countries. The last part gives a vision of the future based on a
>>> resource based economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From what I am understanding you are saying that the fractional reserve
>>> explanation makes sense, but that debt-slavery/exploitation and resource
>>> economies
>>> don't? Do you have a solution? Or do you think that the fraction
>>> reserve monetary system is the best we can get?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input,
>>>
>>> zaq
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:27:37 +0000
>>>> From: catmail_2004@yahoo.ie
>>>> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm@hyperreal.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>
>>>> i agree - anything after the first half an hour was shite
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Sam Marginson (FORUM8) <sam@forum8.co.jp>
>>>> To: idm hyperreal <idm@hyperreal.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 6:34:20
>>>> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>
>>>> I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some
>>>>
>>> merits -
>>>
>>>> the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
>>>>
>>> interesting..
>>>
>>>> however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at the
>>>>
>>> end
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
>>>> To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
>>>> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you
>>>>
>>> have a
>>>
>>>> bias. In that case I will ignore you.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for being clear,
>>>> zaq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
>>>>> From: rick@glowdot.com
>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles Goodwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every time
>>>>>>
>>>> anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same thing
>>>> used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
>>>>
>>>>> Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: OMG
>>>>> ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list, that's
>>>>>
>>> why.
>>>
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