excellent ad hominem
a+++ would read flames again
Shiggy Shiggy Shiggy, can't you see? Sometimes your games just hypnotize
me...
2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
quoted 137 lines I think this is a romantic vision of primitivism. I am uncertain if this
>
>
> I think this is a romantic vision of primitivism. I am uncertain if this
> would classify as Utopia. Then again I don't really believe in any utopian
> systems.
>
> Anyhow. I do think this conversation may be going on to long Off Topic. And
> i understand people like to have fun with it; because its very cool to be
> snarky and cleverly pessimistic. It is an especially high ranking status
> symbol for 18-35 year old men in our culture. Good job guys! I've stirred up
> all the discussion I want to here. If anyone is interested in joining a
> earnest discussion (or talking more shit) about creating a workable future
> for all join me here:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/zeitgeistmovement?lnk=gcimh
>
> Long live the metavirus,
> zaq
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:20 -0500
> > From: cexwell@gmail.com
> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> >
> > the path to the utopian dream is so easy! continue with things the way
> they
> > are, occasionally debate about how bad it sucks, and wait for the oil to
> run
> > out.. or at least require more energy to get out of the ground than the
> > extracted oil would provide.
> >
> > without the oil, the population will not be able to stay at its current
> > level.
> >
> > those who survive the massive die-off get to live in utopia.
> >
> >
> > 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
> >
> > >
> > > The first half-hour is about the fractional reserve monetary system and
> how
> > > it
> > > doesn't work. Then it goes into how debt created by the fractional
> > > reserve system is used to create wage-slaves and exploit third-world
> > > countries. The last part gives a vision of the future based on a
> > > resource based economy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From what I am understanding you are saying that the fractional reserve
> > > explanation makes sense, but that debt-slavery/exploitation and
> resource
> > > economies
> > > don't? Do you have a solution? Or do you think that the fraction
> > > reserve monetary system is the best we can get?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the input,
> > >
> > > zaq
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:27:37 +0000
> > > > From: catmail_2004@yahoo.ie
> > > > To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm@hyperreal.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > > >
> > > > i agree - anything after the first half an hour was shite
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Sam Marginson (FORUM8) <sam@forum8.co.jp>
> > > > To: idm hyperreal <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 6:34:20
> > > > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > > >
> > > > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some
> > > merits -
> > > > the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
> > > interesting..
> > > > however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at
> the
> > > end
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
> > > > To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
> > > > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you
> > > have a
> > > > bias. In that case I will ignore you.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for being clear,
> > > > zaq
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
> > > > > From: rick@glowdot.com
> > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > > > >
> > > > > Charles Goodwin wrote:
> > > > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every
> time
> > > > anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same
> thing
> > > > used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE:
> OMG
> > > > > ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list,
> that's
> > > why.
> > > >
> > > >
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