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From:
Z Moser
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idm hyperreal
Date:
Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:43:19 +0000
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RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum‏ (OT)
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Yes. I agree completely This is why I appreciate Zeitgeist, it gives a vision of the future. zaq
quoted 124 lines Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:46:39 +0200> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:46:39 +0200 > From: esaruoho@gmail.com > To: roachgod69@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum‏ (OT) > CC: idm@hyperreal.org > > it doesnt take long to realize that most of these truth-out > documentaries ONLY outline a problem, call this or that group of > people, country, politician, banker etc bad bad bad down with him > off with his head - and cue in the epic dramatic orchestral stab. > unfortunately the mess-fests that various directors have done of r. > buckminster fuller are quite ridiculous - incoherent mess the lot of > them. check out "grunch of the giants" and "guinea pig b", you'll find > them online for free. those are good ones, good books tho. > > > > 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>: > > > > I get what you are saying. From what I understand of the of the Venus > > Project another one of the first steps is to take an accounting of the > > worlds limits in order to see how many people it can support in a > > stable ecosystem and with the building materials available or new ones > > that we will come up with. We are already in the first stages of > > producing programmable matter that takes on the properties we assign > > it. Do you know how much steal is available at this point? > > > > Ill will check out Money Masters. Does it provide solutions, or only outline a problem? > > > > zaq > > > > > >> From: sam@forum8.co.jp > >> To: idm@hyperreal.org > >> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:50:24 +0900 > >> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum‏ (OT) > >> > >> Check out a movie called "The Money Masters". It's a 3 hour + doco on why a > >> fractional reserve banking system run by a private central bank sucks. I'm > >> not saying I agree with the plan proposed in that either, I'm just saying it > >> seems a lot more practical than our utopian friends at The Venus Project > >> > >> > >> > >> The other reason I thought the new Zeitgeist movie was a bit too utopian is > >> that I'm very much unconvinced that we live in a world of abundance. I > >> would hardly say we have an abundant supply of whatever that form of steel > >> was that they proposed to build their cities on water out of (memory steel?) > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM > >> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm hyperreal > >> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum‏ > >> > >> > >> > >> Yes. Thiis was my main problem with the movie as well. There is a good > >> explanation of why things are the way they are and how they could be. There > >> is very little info on how to get from here to there. Is this the only > >> reason you think it sucked badly? Do you have any suggestion, or know any > >> movie/media that gives information on how to go about moving things into a > >> transitional period? This is what my main interest of study is right now. > >> > >> zaq > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: sam@forum8.co.jp > >> > To: idm@hyperreal.org > >> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:20 +0900 > >> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum‏ > >> > > >> > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some merits > >> - > >> > the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat > >> interesting.. > >> > however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at the > >> end > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM > >> > To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal > >> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum‏ > >> > > >> > > >> > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you have > >> a > >> > bias. In that case I will ignore you. > >> > > >> > Thanks for being clear, > >> > zaq > >> > > >> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800 > >> > > From: rick@glowdot.com > >> > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > >> > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum‏ > >> > > > >> > > Charles Goodwin wrote: > >> > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every time > >> > anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same thing > >> > used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead. > >> > > > > >> > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: OMG > >> > > ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list, that's > >> why. > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. > > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 > > > > -- > :) > I GoodSearch for Wilhelm Reich Infant Trust Foundation (Rangeley, > Maine) by using http://www.goodsearch.com/ . > > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the > Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - > powered by Yahoo!
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