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From:
F.Enmark
To:
Esa Ruoho
Cc:
idm@hyperreal.org
Date:
Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:09:49 +0200
Subject:
Re: [idm] Re: who still buys CDs
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yes i still buy CDs, not in a massive amount but 5-6 a month. i used to use oink obsessively though and download lots and lots of stuff and then i go out and buy what i like from my local shop. i have no problem whatsoever to listen to good quality mp3 (320, v0 etc), i would never ever use something like FLAC, bullshit format imo, cannot be used in itunes or ipod - a pretty important factor since i don't know a lot of people who doesn't own an ipod. i listen to music on the ipod through a couple of porta pro's, or in my home through a regular not fancy denon/kenton setup, so the weakest link is still the output. i wouldn't mind at all buying mp3s (ive bought some on itunes), but i don't want DRM (in fact my drm-buying days are over), and i dont have time to go to each label to get their stuff, i want one place that holds everything (like oink did, or like the local store i go to holds pretty much everything i want). and i need them to be available for download an infinate amount of times, if i delete the file, or my HD crashes. the physical CDs are basically working as backup for me, so i can return to them if my files get lost somehow. i only purchase vinyl if the release isn't available on CD, and when i buy my CDs i mainly rip it down to the computer, and put the box in the shelf after having looked at it for five minutes.. then i don't ever use the CD again really the demise of oink will have an enormous impact in my musical imput, now i have to find new sources of listening to new music, and what it probably eventually will result in, is basically that i will buy less records, not more... On 10/26/07, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 101 lines what cheeses me off about all of this is that i was going to put my new ep> what cheeses me off about all of this is that i was going to put my new ep > on OiNK as 320kbps mp3s and try and see if doing that would mean more > people would link to my shop and purchase the physical item. and then the > whole thing got shut down. fancy that! > > > On 26/10/2007, David William Newman <dwnewman@clara.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Yes but the point is that alot of mp3s are sold at below 320kbps > > > > > > > > jason parent writes: > > > > > > > >> The claim that mp3 quality sucks is bogus imo. > > >> If the bitrate is at the maximum (320kbps), you won't hear the > > difference > > >> with the original CD. > > > > > > there are a number of factors. > > > > > > listen to "wish you were here" by pink floyd on a 320 kbps mp3 played > > > through a set of tannoys or kefs or other good quality speakers at a > > high > > > volume, coming from a high powered receiver and tell me it sounds the > > same > > > as a cd does, if the cd player has high quality DACs. i picked that > > record > > > because everybody knows what it's SUPPOSED to sound like, and because > > the > > > range is very wide. > > > > > > you'll hear major differences in the low end and in the high end. even > > the > > > mix comes out funny. > > > > > > you could do the experiment with lots of different stuff. i heard a > > major > > > difference in thom yorke's solo album, as well as the latest nine inch > > > nails record [which i was previewing as downloads before i picked them > > up, > > > as i was skeptical about the end quality of both of them]. even the last > > > tool album [which was a weak record] had major reproduction problems on > > > the low end. > > > > > > however, if you're listening to the new spice girls record through a > > pair > > > of tinny headphones coming out of a portable device, i would agree that > > > it's unlikely to make much of a difference, but i personally can't stand > > > to do something like that. the last time i tried to listen to something > > > coming out of the headphone out on my cell phone was a john zorn record, > > > and it sounded so awful i haven't even bothered using the mp3 player in > > it > > > since... > > > > > > meaning the following: casual users will probably migrate to mp3s due to > > > convenience. cds didn't kill records because they were cheaper to make > > or > > > because the sound quality is "technically better" (let's not get into a > > cd > > > vs. record argument because unlike the cd vs. mp3 argument, the cd vs. > > > record argument is purely subjective and depends not on reproductive > > > ability but personal taste), it was because you can skip tracks on a cd > > > and you can't do that on a record. likewise, mp3s will prevail for > > casual > > > users and those who enjoy the convenience. > > > > > > but, serious audio geeks can immediately tell the difference and will > > drop > > > cds in favour of dvds; they didn't drop thousands into their sound > > systems > > > to use compressed files as a sound source. > > > > > > ....meaning that, i guess, cds are pretty much dying. but the future is > > in > > > dvd audio, not mp3s. > > > > > > reminds me of the cassette vs. cd wars in the 80s. > > > > > > j > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > -- > ∞ >
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