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Obed Vento
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Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:06:44 -0500
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RE: [idm] Gimicky Cage
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I love well performed and executed gimmicks. Who's with me? -----Original Message----- From: chthonic [mailto:chthonic@chthonicstreams.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:18 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Gimicky Cage ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Victor Elkins <tempvictor@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:54:22 -0500
quoted 2 lines Sounds a bit brilliant to me, particularly the sitting at the piano and>Sounds a bit brilliant to me, particularly the sitting at the piano and >playing nothing thing, which forces people to listen to the environment
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quoted 1 line what's inside.>what's inside.
normally i hate gimmicks, but i agree cage's seem to have some thought behind it. it's conceptual art more than music. if you don't go for conceptual art you won't appreciate cage. the definition of "gimmick" is further food for thought: 1. A device employed to cheat, deceive, or trick, especially a mechanism for the secret and dishonest control of gambling apparatus. - i don't hink cage was trying to "put one over" on people. he could have come up with something to swindle a lot more money. 2. An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance; a gadget. - did he ever invent any mujsical gadgets? i can't recall. 3. An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project: an advertising gimmick. - this seems to be what was implied here, but i don't believe any of the pieces he performed were summarized in order to promote them ("i read in the paper that at john cage's concert tonight he's gonna sit in front of a piano and not play anything! that is so wild, let's go!") the innovations he came up with were to expand the horizons of music and art, not sell anything. 4. A significant feature that is obscured, misrepresented, or not readily evident; a catch. - if anything, this is possibly the only way you could apply this word, since you could say for example that sitting in front of the piano implies he's going to play it, which is a misprepresentation. and certainly his music is obscure; though one of the more famous avant-garde musicians, his name is less known than a lot of artists and musicians. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org