On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:36:47 +0100, rb <rb@c67.org> wrote:
quoted 18 lines is it correct that of this ones, the sony is the only open headphone?:
> is it correct that of this ones, the sony is the only open headphone?:
>
> Sennheiser HD580 practically same sound as HD600, just a cheaper
> looks/feel
> Sennheiser HD600
> Beyer Dynamic DT250 (80ohm/250ohm, the former is easier to drive without
> a
> proper headphone amp and is the model i went for to be driven by ipods
> and
> the like)
> Sony SA5000 (or their cheaper siblings the SA1000, SA3000)
> Beyer Dynamic DT770 80ohm
>
> is any of your reviewd hp other than the sony a open hp?
>
> thanks
> rb
>
Only the two Beyer headphones listed there are closed (and isolating) all
the others are open.. the sony's perhaps isolate slightly more than the
HD580/600 but only slightly its still very open.
quoted 239 lines On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:36:48 +0100, rb <rb@c67.org> wrote:
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> On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:36:48 +0100, rb <rb@c67.org> wrote:
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>> hi
>> im about to invest in some headphones.
>> which can you recommend best for a super clear autechre sound, they
>> also should be extremly comfortable and if possible open.
>> im willing to pay maximum 400 euro, better 300 or less.
>>
>> thanks
>> rb
>
> Quite simply you must hang out at www.headfi.org and find out more about
> headphones, possibly even get a good deal on a 2nd hand pair..
>
> The other suggestions by everyone are all fair.. I'm a bit of a headphone
> nut so i'll list all mine that i currently own
>
> Sennheiser HD600:
> My original hifi headphone, and still in use 4 years later.. similar
> to the 580.. its been superseeded by the 650 which i've not heard but a
> lot
> of people like.. the 650 is a lot more money though and the 580/600s are
> a
> bargain compared. Its a very very comfortable headphone, and sounds great
> with electronica. You really want to get it amped semi-decently to get a
> nice powerful bass.
>
> Beyer Dynamic DT250 (80 ohm, or 250 ohm models)
> These are quite simply the perfect headphone for use at work..
> they're pro spec so can be rebuilt from available parts, but importantly
> are
> built to survive anything. They're isolating headphones, and are a bit
> dark
> sounding.. this is nice as you get an inky backdrop for your music to
> present to you.. consider the noise of your environment, isolating cans
> are
> a real bonus.. open cans do sound nice, but you will hear your computer
> fans
> over the top of the music all the time, it masks tiny details, or forces
> you
> to go louder - damaging your ears long term.
>
> Etymotic ER-4P/S
> In ear monitors from the states.. i dont use these much at the
> moment..
> if you do any long haul flights these or similar models by shure etc
> would
> be a godsend. These are very very detailed and natural headphones.. they
> offer mid 20db isolation which means music again appears from silent
> depths.. Their soundstage is really in the head.. sometimes it works
> nice,
> sometimes not compared to the bigger soundstages of the others in this
> selection. Their bass is arkward to find, and though tuneful and correct
> it
> always seems to sound slight compared with what you're used to.
> Electronica loves the bass, so its sometimes not the best can for the
> job.
>
> Sony SA5000
> These are indeed wonderful headphones.. very very detailed.. this
> can
> sometimes be a curse though.. they're bright.. a lot of energy in the
> higher frequencies.. they can sometimes set ceilings on your listening
> volumes in a lot of tracks cause its literally too painful to go any
> louder.. I loved them for a while, but have not listened to them a lot of
> late as i've brought newer models.. They certainly have an affinity with
> electronica with their details.. their bass whilst slightly slight
> relative to the bloomyness of some, is tuneful and right down to fairly
> low frequencies. Comfort is good, but still not as good as Sennheiser
> HD600s or similar.. also all their parts are non-replacable, compared to
> the Sennheisers allowing you to replace the leads etc when they get
> damaged (i've had to do this 2-3 times over 4 years, but they have been
> my
> main phone that gets a lot of abuse with casual listening)
>
> AKG K1000
> These are the most unique kind of headphone you'll find.. they are
> actually ear speakers and they pivot away from the ear by amounts set by
> the listener.. with this you get binuaral feedback where your left ear
> hears the right channels signal and vice versa.. this leads them to have
> a
> great out of head soundstage that just blows your mind with electronica..
> They require driving from speaker outputs of an amp, and they make you
> look a bit of a fool, but they are really special cans.. ones that i've
> neglected recently as i've had newer cans take up my time, but a recent
> relisten proves that they are one of the best headphones for electronica,
> and so will always stay in my collection. THe only real negative is from
> their unique design their bass rolls off at about 35hz or so... i
> expected
> to hear bass-lightness when i first heard them, but nothing but.. they
> are
> a flat line can response in all the frequency range they provide, their
> bass is excellent.. better than the SA5000 for the frequencies they
> handle.. also being powered by muscular speaker amps you have a palpable
> feeling of the sound as the diaphragms really move air.
>
> I've got some pictures of these headphones here
>
> http://jimtreats.com/k1000/
>
> Sennheiser HE60
>
> These are known as the baby orpheus headphone and are Sennheisers
> top of
> the range electrostatic headphone next to their £10,000 signature Orpheus
> system they released. Now discontinued, so hard to find.. but they have a
> wonderful sound.. I've not been listening to them for the last week or
> so,
> but i should be getting an adapter to be able to listen again with my new
> amp any day now.. They are light as anything, electrostatic design helps
> on that.. no magnet.. Headband and comfort like a HD600 but their pads
> are
> much thicker so they rest off your ear more.. one of the most comfortable
> headphones you can wear.. their sound is superb.. electrostatics are just
> natural.. its a funny thing, but they are just so easily listened to..
> really excellent details.. above SA5000 even, without being as shouty at
> the top end.. these kind of cans really drink in natural details and so
> its in voices, and live recorded instruments where you really start to
> hear these things like they are in the room with you.. violins and string
> instruments in particular (Max Richter for example) sound out of this
> world!!! Electrostatics bass isn't as forceful as dynamic cans, but the
> bass on the HE60s is really really good. perfectly tuneful and natural,
> and going deep... I'll be interested to compare them to my most recent
> can, as soon as the adapter arrives
>
> Stax Omega II
>
> These are the current top of the line Stax electrostatic headphone..
> I
> had the opportunity to get them at a good price saving over their normal
> £1700 price tag, and had to do it.. Stax have just gone to town with this
> can, and for one targetted bass response of electrostats.. the Omega IIs
> go down to 5hz and up to 40khz, in a near straight line fashion.. they
> are
> sometimes described as a bit dark, with a bias to the bass end.. but then
> again so are HD600s and its a sound that i love, and know works with
> electronica well.. I've not really discerned that as a problem, but as
> hoped they really are great cans (as they should be for their ridiculous
> price) .. they'll play with anything.. details above the HE60 perhaps
> (will get chance to try and compare when i can drive them simultaneously
> off the same amp), great bass, amazing depth to soundstage.. tracks i'd
> listened to for ages with all these cans all of a sudden had a layering
> going away from the head like i'd never heard before.. at the same time,
> the soundstage isn't THAT big, it stays close to the head but in a really
> detailed way.. panning from left to right doesn't exhibit any of the
> left,
> centre, right blobs that headphone listening can sometimes do.. its a
> smooth path from side to side.. they're also really fast so glitch is
> just
> etched out with razor sharpness.. all in a package that has that
> effortless electrostatic listenability that none of the other dynamic
> cans
> i've heard have when offering high amounts of detail across the frequency
> range.
>
> Pics of these are available here, with their energiser to power them.
>
> http://jimtreats.com/omegaII/new/
>
> Beyer Dynamic DT770 (modded into Darth Beyers)
>
> These are the most recent headphone i've brought that i've still not
>
> recieved.. yes i'm insane, and have too many of the damn things but after
> a few pairs it becomes quite addictive, and they don't take up too much
> room!! :) ANyways all the other cans mentioned apart from my work ones
> and
> those Etymotic ones are open.. background sounds are a real issue, such
> that i usually turn off all PCs and listen in silence.. these DT770s are
> closed like their DT250 brothers i describe above.. they are supposed to
> have the most bass of any headphone.. apart from perhaps the grado PS1s,
> limited edition £2000 from Germany only.. anyways i had to give them a
> go.. bass being such a driving force in some electronica, i'm hopeful
> that
> they'll be a great can for some situations.. one being able to listen
> over
> air conditioning in peace. I also watch dvds with headphones and again
> they'll be ideal for that with bass to be like a sub for explosions, and
> isolation remove the noise of fans etc.
> I've gone and got myself a modded pair though whose cups have been
> rebuilt in wood.. at the same time a recabling is done to make them
> longer
> and different leads, which is supposed to balance them out a bit, and
> perhaps enhance bass that last step.
> These DT770's could be a possible solution for you.
>
> Anyways enough.. i'd seriously recommend spending some money on a pair of
> headphones and enjoying the unique perspective they give you on music..
> its something very rewarding for a lot of electronica, letting you really
> zoom in and move between the layers..
>
> In your budget I'd suggest you consider
>
> Sennheiser HD580 practically same sound as HD600, just a cheaper
> looks/feel
> Sennheiser HD600
> Beyer Dynamic DT250 (80ohm/250ohm, the former is easier to drive without
> a
> proper headphone amp and is the model i went for to be driven by ipods
> and
> the like)
> Sony SA5000 (or their cheaper siblings the SA1000, SA3000)
> Beyer Dynamic DT770 80ohm
>
> Grado's are options.. that's the last manufacturer i've got to look at..
> the thing with grado's is that they dont really have a soundstage so to
> speak, they're rock phones designed to get you sat next to the singer at
> his mic, rather than cans with soundstage that portray it as if you are
> sitting in the audience however many rows back (depending on their style
> of soundstage) ... for electronica don't discount soundstage it plays a
> BIG role in what i enjoy about it.. in your budget the HD580/600 are
> probably the ones to go for.. after i've heard my new DT770s i may be
> able
> to suggest them as well (they're supposed to have a good soundstage,
> making them excellent gaming headphones as well)
>
> Good luck, do check out headfi its a great community and there is lots to
> learn.
>
> I'm going to go and listen to something tonight before sleeping, what to
> choose tho :)
>
> Regards
>
> Jim
>
> ps. once you've got some headphones, be sure to check out some binaural
> recordings.. I've got a load of mine online here
> http://binaural.jimtreats.com/ listen to them with headphones and be
> amazed at their 3d qualities, whatever the headphone.. its an effect that
> improves with quality of cans, but still works really well.. even with in
> ear buds (in fact they're almost ideal as the ear wont effect the sound
> any further which is crucial in making the effect as realistic as
> possible)
>
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