Seriously...
That's the most retarded and ill-informed piece of writing I've ever
seen about all this.
-your average well selling indie artist makes more then "pennies" per
sale (try about $1.00-$2.00, plus mechanicals).
-by not buying not only are you not supporting, but you're also
contributing to unsold stock, decreased record store budgets (thereby
not encouraging stores to take chances), and many many other things.
-people have bills to pay. Do you all do your day jobs for the
"recognition"...."I feel I'm a great web programmer, and I'm so happy
to be recognized as such that I don't care if I can actually make a
living from what I like doing. I just sit around all day masturbating
in the glow of all the recognition I get"
-keeping your publishing is a myth. By all means keep it if you're
actually going to do something with it, but I challenge any of you to
get an ad agency or film producer or music supervisor to actually take
your phone calls or open your package without someone who knows what
they're doing in charge of it. And have fun dealing with all the
performing rights societies around the world making sure you're getting
the money you're owed...oh what's that... you did all that but now you
don't have any time to make music anywhere...maybe get some friends to
help you out... maybe put out some records by your other friends while
you're at it... shit wait you've started a label... man when did you
become such a greedy corporate fuck?
-indie tours rarely make money. By all means buy shirts and CD's and
whatever at the show but realize that the money generated there is
contributing to the artists losing a bit less on the tour then they
thought they would.
quoted 1 line
>quoted 2 lines Besides, most of us who open source share are only stealing in the
> Besides, most of us who open source share are only stealing in the
> sense of Robin Hood and not in the sense of Enron or Bank of America.
Really you've actually politicized the act of on-line music sharing and
given yourself some Robin Hood complex? What are you giving downloads
to the poor. Yeah, real radical. There's wars going on. Get a fucking
life idiot.
Stop taking myths and calculations done on a major label/massive artist
scale and then presenting them as fact as the way it works on an indie
level.
Stop watching MTV cribs. It's not how it is.
Look I've got no problem with file sharing that encourages
growth/recognition of an artist, but if there's no contribution at some
level then it shuts down the supply eventually. Or worse, forces people
to have to look for underwriting for their projects. By all means
download every Aphex Twin song and don't pay for it, but don't bitch
and moan if his next record is sponsored by Pepsi so that's he able to
actually go about doing what he does.
Jeff
On 24-Aug-05, at 5:38 AM, patrick haenelt wrote:
quoted 107 lines I think that this is a very good subject to be debating. I have a
> I think that this is a very good subject to be debating. I have a
> love-hate feeling about recorded music. On one hand it is great to be
> able to purchace a copy of an artist's music that you love, but at the
> same time this medium tends to quantify the worth of a particular
> artist. Alot of times unit sales of a particular release is completely
> based on the distribution contract that the band or producer has and
> alot of times has little to do with the quality of music that is being
> marketed. I love buying records, but I find myself wondering why it is
> that I even have access to a record recorded by someoone in
> Barcelona,New York,Berlin, or Hamburg. or if there are other artists
> that deserve my purchace that I don't even know about, but lack a
> decent distribution contract. I am leaning towards liking the concept
> of hard copy recordings becoming an outdated concept and shifting
> toward an online/digital medium of distributing music. At least it
> gets closer to leveling the playing field....
>
> "avianwayfilms@juno.com" <avianwayfilms@juno.com> wrote: Why you
> shouldn't worry (ethically)(and why you should - because as we know
> crimes against property are the worst according to those who "own"
> everything)
>
> Where does the money from the selling of music go?
>
> The "artist" usually gets fractions of a cent for the use of their
> music - radio play, mechanicals (retail purchased), use in
> soundtracks, etc.
> This amounts to very little money in reality, even for a popular
> artist with
> lots of airplay - like Metallica for instance... To share their music
> will take fractions of a penny from them over the course of a year.
>
> Of the rest of the money (better than 99 percent usually) most goes to
> the
> record company and some little goes to the owner of the publishing
> rights for
> the artist's music (who is often not the artist - a company owned by
> Michael
> Jackson owns a lot of the publishing rights to many Beatle's songs -
> the owners of the rights to much music are usually, surprise!
> subsidiaries and holding companies of - the record companies!)
>
> Most artists will only make money by performing, because the returns
> are often greater than the costs. If an artist has their own
> production company and can control the costs and the profits of
> touring themselves, rather than the way it typically is with a record
> company footing the bill and then charging the artist for it later),
> they can make OK money if they can play at the right sized venues on
> their tours.
>
> Artists can also make money with merchandise - T-shirts and CDs, etc
> sold at shows - I urge you to buy direct from the artist as much as
> possible, especially at shows.
>
> Artists should not sell their publishing rights to anyone.
> If they keep their rights, and they reserve the rights to other uses
> in their
> recording (slavery) contracts, they can theoretically sell the song in
> a
> secondary market - like for a film soundtrack or a commercial, etc. A
> musician
> is not usually allowed to do this until they have a lot of clout
> (sales) because
> the record companies are not inclined to let a penny slip by unpinched.
>
> Musicians are not hurt much at all by downloading mp3s of their music.
> You are stealing, in a sense, yes, but mostly from the money-grubbing
> entertainment conglomerates who reallly really need that money more
> than ever to pay for their growing packs of attorneys and to offset
> their (debatable) drop in profits due to their inability to
> consistently offer quality products. (unquestionable). Besides, most
> of us who open source share are only stealing in the sense of Robin
> Hood and not in the sense of Enron or Bank of America.
>
> Many musicians I know use Limewire or suchlike. They have no ethical
> objections to it. In fact, many of us use it to "test drive" the music
> - a kind
> of shopping. If I come across something I like - Oval, Autechre, Mouse
> On Mars,
> Climax Golden Twins, Sufjan Stevens - I want the whole thing, artwork
> and all,
> at the best quality, so I'll buy it. Hell, sometimes I'll buy two!
>
> Anyway, I guess what it really comes down to is a dichotomy that
> splits the
> world - do you come down on the side of some of the world's largest
> corporations and their stupid puppets, like Metallica, or do you come
> down on the side of the mass of people who love music so much that it
> is woven into the
> everyday fabric of their lives in a truly meaningful, personal way
> that has
> little to do with the deep wading in the cesspool of commerce, and
> everything to do with the impulses and idealisms that create music.
> Yawn.
>
> Keep your ears open and your chin up. Slippery.
>
>
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